ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES"Polls close in high-stakes Hungarian #election as #Magyar seeks to oust #Orbán"
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https://tvpworld.com/92591265/hungary-polls-close-as-magyars-tisza-seeks-to-oust-orbn
eVOTErra – #RhRR
Project 1789
Lord HeeHaw II@JustRobForNow @evoterra @benroyce I like the Australian system (I think STV), other than compulsory voting. Not voting can also be a statement of political choice, even if it is too often abused.
@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
not voting is for morons
Mamdani v Cuomo
Magyar v Orban
HELLLOOOOOO???
@benroyce @JustRobForNow @evoterra To vote or not to vote . . . . I stand by my statement. And while I support a very large proportion of what @benroyce says, I think it would improve his viewpoint of electoral democracy if he were to be able to stop viewing the exhibition in the lobby only through the US letterbox. When there are 30 candidates, and none of them are worth a vote, then it's a tad hard to label the non-voter a moron. It's not always a simple strategy game.
@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
a nonvoter is a fucking moron
100%
always
perfect doesn't exist
you pick the person closest to you and iterate
that is the only way you improve the world
not choosing only means "i don't care"
and if someone doesn't care, considering the issues we are facing today, fuck such a piece of shit
Wokerati@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
I can see both sides of this argument, because it implies an understanding of politics that billionaires spend billions trying to prevent normies from understanding.
For instance trump being 'anti-war', it was obviously BS, but it was also stronger then any statement made by Kamala on Palestine.
Parties also need to earn votes and not just rely on gaining support for being the least worse option.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
it's not true the democrats suck therefore leftists don't vote
the truth is the left doesn't vote, therefore the democrats suck
"i'm going to wait until centrist corporatist assholes magically turn into leftists, then i'll vote" is just a stupid joke
you vote, in the primaries, and replace them
that's the way it works
looking to the democratic establishment as your cue before acting is bullshit. ignore them. replace them
proof:
mamdani
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@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra Old grumpy guy comments.... everyone makes this too complicated.
1. US Leadership sucks (any disagreement?)
2. Both major political parties are complicit (any disagreement?)
3. You think things should be better (any disagreement?)
If 1-3 make sense... then do something, do anything just don't sit on your ass (excuse my French).
Have a nice day and stop whining.😉
Tody Motmot@ManyRoads @benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
Hell no. I like the fact Dems fought against MAGA. Giving more people healthcare, letting the FBI do its job and go after sex traffickers, and stopping genocides is not complicit.
I really don't care how much the mainstream news led by billionaires told you to hate the people who were trying to raise taxes on the rich.
You're working to amplify MAGA's propaganda without even stopping to think. You're not helping.
@todymotmot @benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
I'm confused. Please connect to the thread for old guys like me who are slow to follow. Help me understand not your complaint but rather what you personally are doing directly to solve the problem you see and pain you feel. If you need my help please request it precisely.
I will celebrate your effort(s).
Maga and Fascism are not going to be defeated by complaints- they don't hear them nor do they care about them.
@todymotmot @ManyRoads @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
ManyRoads is asking us to fucking do something. That's all that matters
I don't give a fuck what rationale people use to get off their asses and lose their ineffectual entitled nonvoting cynical weak whining
As long as they do
silvia@benroyce @todymotmot @ManyRoads @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
Il referendum italiano ed ora l’Ungheria, due occasioni in cui l’affluenza è stata alta e il risultato buono.
Anche noi speriamo che ci sia ancora tanta partecipazione, da noi e da voi. Azioni coordinate. One world !
Il referendum italiano ed ora l’Ungheria, due occasioni in cui l’affluenza è stata alta e il risultato buono.
Anche noi speriamo che ci sia ancora tanta partecipazione, da noi e da voi. Azioni coordinate. One world !
@benroyce @ManyRoads @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
Yeah I want people to do something too, but we cannot overlook genocidal language.
People worried more about how Harris's messaging made them feel than stopping a genocide.
Now tens of millions are dead and dying, including Palestinians, because people wanted Dems to make them feel good, not do the hard work of stopping our genocidal nation.
We have to break the cycle - judge politicians on action, not MSM vibes.
@todymotmot @benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
If I may... (share old guy thinking). Here's how I look at things (excuse the aphorisms borrowed and created).
- Perfect is the enemy of good.
- Good is the enemy of better.
- Never confuse better with good or perfect.
- Never sacrifice better for nothing.
✅ Always remember inaction is an action! It is an action of surrender and cowardice.
@todymotmot @benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra If you need current pointers to the insidious nature of passivity:
"Newly-Elected Hungarian PM Says Orbán Was Paying CPAC, Calls It a ‘Crime’ That ‘Will Have to Be Investigated’"
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/newly-elected-hungarian-pm-says-040115976.html
@todymotmot @ManyRoads @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
the responsibility to break it is not on dem leadership. #1: dem leadership sucks. #2: it's on the fucking losers out there who can't think rationally about their voting power
we just vote and replace them
that people don't understand this, and that they believe their agency to act is somehow bound to people they should be giving no thought to, just replacing, is simply a story of stupidity, entitlement, and laziness
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i don't disagree with that but doners also play a large part not only in primary elections, but also the window of political discourse at a national level.
when money speaks louder than the people supposed to represented, may will feel disenchanted.
i'm not just talking about the left, but i do think that the majority of the electorate are leftist even if they don't know it yet.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
The problem is you frame it as a reason to give up and not vote
To depend upon an insane impossible signal before voting: centrists magically becoming leftists. You know that's never going to happen
And let them spend billions
Billions were spent on Orban. How did that turn out?
Because people fucking voted
Stop framing problems as a reason to disengage. It's weak and stupid
Our problems are a reason to get angry and fucking vote
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
not at all. i encourage voting. i just think parties should be fair in reasoning why those who didn't didn't.
to state otherwise is to blame the electorate for the actions of the opposition.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
No
You're completely wrong. Your focus is all wrong
You're obsessed with teaching centrist corporatist Democrats a lesson
Why?
Who fucking gives a shit what they think
You just show up. In the primaries. And vote. And replace the assholes
That's it
Beginning and ending of your concerns
That's the lesson of Mamdani
Why do you fucking care what Schumer thinks? Just replace the asshole. That should be the entirety of your thought process
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
We defiantly need more Mamdani's. In fact he gained prominence preciously because he was able to cut through with amazing comms and true leftist values.
It also highlighted the HUGE campaign against him, not just by racist republicans but a far more pernicious smear campaign within the democratic party spearheaded by the likes of Cuomo.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
"It also highlighted the HUGE campaign against him"
right but i want to make sure you fully get the point
people didn't sit home and not vote because the establishment opposed mamdani
they didn't whine that centrist assholes didn't support mamdani, therefore they couldn't vote, because they had to teach dem hq a "lesson" about listening to the left
they just ignored them
they just fucking voted
and the left won
*the whole fucking point*
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
he had an amazing campain preciously because he was able to cut through all the barriers.
i'm not saying don't vote, i'm saying lets address some of those barriers designed to keep leftists of the ballot.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
*the* barrier to leftists on the ballot is leftists not voting
what is turn out in the usual primary?
dismal
what happens if leftists mobbed the #primaries?
spent 1/1,000th the energy spent online whining, in just showing the fuck up?
we'd have 50 Mamdanis
all the centrist assholes, all the money, all the systemic issues: who fucking gives a shit
just show the fuck up
the biggest problem for the left, is the left
they don't vote
excited for the mastodon rise@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra I love you so much when you're on a roll on voting. Goddamn. <3
@qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
it's easy for me to go on a roll about voting
reality is on my side
#mamdani beats #cuomo: we just show the fuck up and vote and the left wins, forget all the bullshit. IN THE PRIMARIES
#magyar beats #orban: the money, the influence, the tricks... but people just showed the fuck up anyway
when the left constructs elaborate bullshit reasons to not vote, they are merely doing self-fulfilling cynicism prophecy
JUST FUCKING VOTE
@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra I mean, when the left does that they're being horse shit (horseshoe) lefties, controlled by the very righties they're claiming to hate; russians, oligarchs, and aristocrats all push the "they're not left enough don't vote" message because it resonates with the ennui and totally depowers the left.
So non-voters are so far leftwing they're rightwing.
@qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i don't consider them "so far left"
i consider them fake left
cosplayers, trolls, edgelords, etc camping on the label "left"
but they don't have ideological reasons for action
they have psychological reasons for inaction
they don't have morality:
morality requires action
but: all action is imperfect
yet they demand perfect action
an impossibility
therefore, they only have ego masturbation instead of morality
fake leftists
@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra I mean, "horseshoe left" is a long accepted conscrut I'm just using for a phrase I like, which is "horseshit lefters"
So...y'know...I'll concede it's an affection. :-)
Stybba3019@benroyce @qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
It's simply a fact that showing up is half of life. If you don't show up, you miss out on what is being offered. Others *will* show up and then *they* choose the direction to go in, not you.
Show up. Vote.
Mastodon Migration@Stybba3019 @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
'Show Up' is a good slogan
@mastodonmigration @Stybba3019 @qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i vote for "show the fuck up" but i will accept "show up" as some do not appreciate poetry 🤭
AaronDavid@benroyce @mastodonmigration @Stybba3019 @qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra You nailed it; replace the assholes
@benroyce @AaronDavid @mastodonmigration @Stybba3019 @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra I will try to remember to use this.
For instance, when I'm talkinga bout fucking dick #RichardNeal, my fucking pathetic rep.
@benroyce @Stybba3019 @qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
Ben is the spiritual leader of the 'Show The Fuck Up' movement
@mastodonmigration @Stybba3019 @qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i will perform "show the fuck up" as the opening act for the main attraction: "show up"
yes we fucking can/ yes we can
get on the fucking bus/ get on the bus
etc
@mastodonmigration @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
It covers pretty much any socio-political change event you can imagine.
Show up.
Drey
Fazal Majid@mastodonmigration @Stybba3019 @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
To quote noted pedophile (before he even met Epstein) Woody Allen, 80% of success in life is showing up
To quote noted pedophile (before he even met Epstein) Woody Allen, 80% of success in life is showing up
Aaron@wokerati @benroyce Every single voter that shows up in a primary addresses the problem of left candidates not being on the ballot.
When they stop seeing primaries as actual campaigns and not a check box or victory lap, we will get there, and fast.
And the way to do that? Get those most skeptical, most cynical, to just show up for once.
Every percentage point they don't get hardens their spine against Trump regardless of where they get their campaign money.
When they stop seeing primaries as actual campaigns and not a check box or victory lap, we will get there, and fast.
And the way to do that? Get those most skeptical, most cynical, to just show up for once.
Every percentage point they don't get hardens their spine against Trump regardless of where they get their campaign money.
June BlueSpruce@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra I can understand why someone would engage in a behavior and still label that behavior as harmful. Not voting is always harmful. The larger the turnout, the more likely the outcome will be more progressive. Republicans know this! That’s why, given that their policies and actions suck, they default to depressing turnout. Why is this so hard for leftists to see? 1/
@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra if we had had higher turnout:
Humphrey instead of Nixon in 1968 = a shorter Vietnam war, no Cointelpro etc.
Gore instead of Bush in 2000 = action on climate change, better Supreme Court justices who would have decided differently on Citizens United, abortion, etc. etc.
Clinton instead of Trump in 2016, Harris instead of Trump in 2024 = hugely better outcomes 2/
Humphrey instead of Nixon in 1968 = a shorter Vietnam war, no Cointelpro etc.
Gore instead of Bush in 2000 = action on climate change, better Supreme Court justices who would have decided differently on Citizens United, abortion, etc. etc.
Clinton instead of Trump in 2016, Harris instead of Trump in 2024 = hugely better outcomes 2/
@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra on a host of issues, including Gaza. All of these things that we would have gotten if there had been better turnout are now leftist goals that we are struggling to achieve while trying to make sure our democracy doesn’t collapse. So tell me again how not voting can sometimes be progressive, and show me your receipts. I have mine. 3/
@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra If someone’s engaged in a behavior you know to be harmful, understanding how they got there can be a first step toward supporting them in changing that behavior. But if you stop there, you’re just enabling the harm. Not voting is harmful to all of us. To be clear I’m speaking about people who choose not to vote, not people who get their votes taken from them. 4/
Carolyn@jbluespruce @benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra “Not voting is harmful to all of us.”
Bingo.
@jbluespruce @benroyce @wokerati "For some, it's deadly"
Thinking about the time I drove a family member five hours across multiple state lines because they needed healthcare illegal here.
That law is relatively new. It didn't used to be this way.
Thinking about the time I drove a family member five hours across multiple state lines because they needed healthcare illegal here.
That law is relatively new. It didn't used to be this way.
@aaron @benroyce @wokerati thank you. I am so sorry that you and your family member had to experience that. It’s completely wrong. I had to edit out that sentence because of character limits - I needed to clarify who I was talking to. But completely agree. How many people have died because of the actions of people who never should’ve become president in the first place? Millions.
Richard Paul@jbluespruce @benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra https://youtu.be/je9ePCpTLyQ?si=6Ix9xQ1BC8TM3hsN
If I Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda
Baron Von J@wokerati
They don't care why people didn't vote. Their only takeaway is "I don't have to spend money campaigning to that person, because they don't vote."
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
They don't care why people didn't vote. Their only takeaway is "I don't have to spend money campaigning to that person, because they don't vote."
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
@baronvonj @benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
I can see why an elected politician might take that position but populists know that isn't true which is why trump won in 2024.
@wokerati @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
trump won because people who showed up for biden didn't show up for harris
people who consider themselves leftists but do not vote are as much to blame for our problems as MAGA
AnnieBuddy@benroyce @wokerati @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
When you only have 2 choices, you choose the better one.
If you don’t like either choice, too bad. Get involved. Pay attention and VOTE.
@benroyce @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
Those that make the argument that non-voters should not be able to criticise the government seems to be at odds with those that think non-voters should be blamed for the current administration.
@wokerati @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
it's not at odds, it logically follows
if by your inaction you cause a problem, you don't get to whine about what you did
you created the problem if you did not vote
you are to blame
although i suppose you can complain, if you want, about your failure to act and pledge to vote
@benroyce @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i think this is projection. it is either or. imho they need to be won over. ideally with a campaign like Mamdani's.
we have to acknowledge that democracy is more then just a conjure trick between a few candidates.
I get the harm reduction narrative, but we can't get complacent.
there are issues that are both systemic and bipartisan to which apathy results.
@wokerati @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
We have mamdani because people voted
There are many other mamadanis we do not have because people did not vote
Not voting is the crucial problem. Everything else is secondary
@wokerati @benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra The electorate needs to put on their grown-up pants and research what candidates stand for. Political elections aren’t bloody prom queen elections. They are serious things that affect our lives. Sitting around waiting to be wooed is asking for gloss over content.
politics is not romance
if you expect to have a politician who makes you swoon you're an idiot
you're supposed look at it like a simple strategy, think harm reduction, and then fucking vote and reduce the harm
if you sustain and iterate at that effort, you eventually will make good progress, and it will get easier
but if you don't vote because you don't hear angels singing you'll never get what you want, and in fact by your inaction you help make things worse