ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES"Polls close in high-stakes Hungarian #election as #Magyar seeks to oust #Orbán"
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https://tvpworld.com/92591265/hungary-polls-close-as-magyars-tisza-seeks-to-oust-orbn
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Lord HeeHaw II@JustRobForNow @evoterra @benroyce I like the Australian system (I think STV), other than compulsory voting. Not voting can also be a statement of political choice, even if it is too often abused.
@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
not voting is for morons
Mamdani v Cuomo
Magyar v Orban
HELLLOOOOOO???
@benroyce @JustRobForNow @evoterra To vote or not to vote . . . . I stand by my statement. And while I support a very large proportion of what @benroyce says, I think it would improve his viewpoint of electoral democracy if he were to be able to stop viewing the exhibition in the lobby only through the US letterbox. When there are 30 candidates, and none of them are worth a vote, then it's a tad hard to label the non-voter a moron. It's not always a simple strategy game.
@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
a nonvoter is a fucking moron
100%
always
perfect doesn't exist
you pick the person closest to you and iterate
that is the only way you improve the world
not choosing only means "i don't care"
and if someone doesn't care, considering the issues we are facing today, fuck such a piece of shit
Wokerati@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
I can see both sides of this argument, because it implies an understanding of politics that billionaires spend billions trying to prevent normies from understanding.
For instance trump being 'anti-war', it was obviously BS, but it was also stronger then any statement made by Kamala on Palestine.
Parties also need to earn votes and not just rely on gaining support for being the least worse option.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
it's not true the democrats suck therefore leftists don't vote
the truth is the left doesn't vote, therefore the democrats suck
"i'm going to wait until centrist corporatist assholes magically turn into leftists, then i'll vote" is just a stupid joke
you vote, in the primaries, and replace them
that's the way it works
looking to the democratic establishment as your cue before acting is bullshit. ignore them. replace them
proof:
mamdani
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i don't disagree with that but doners also play a large part not only in primary elections, but also the window of political discourse at a national level.
when money speaks louder than the people supposed to represented, may will feel disenchanted.
i'm not just talking about the left, but i do think that the majority of the electorate are leftist even if they don't know it yet.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
The problem is you frame it as a reason to give up and not vote
To depend upon an insane impossible signal before voting: centrists magically becoming leftists. You know that's never going to happen
And let them spend billions
Billions were spent on Orban. How did that turn out?
Because people fucking voted
Stop framing problems as a reason to disengage. It's weak and stupid
Our problems are a reason to get angry and fucking vote
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
not at all. i encourage voting. i just think parties should be fair in reasoning why those who didn't didn't.
to state otherwise is to blame the electorate for the actions of the opposition.
Baron Von J@wokerati
They don't care why people didn't vote. Their only takeaway is "I don't have to spend money campaigning to that person, because they don't vote."
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
They don't care why people didn't vote. Their only takeaway is "I don't have to spend money campaigning to that person, because they don't vote."
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
@baronvonj @benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
I can see why an elected politician might take that position but populists know that isn't true which is why trump won in 2024.
@wokerati @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
trump won because people who showed up for biden didn't show up for harris
people who consider themselves leftists but do not vote are as much to blame for our problems as MAGA
@benroyce @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
Those that make the argument that non-voters should not be able to criticise the government seems to be at odds with those that think non-voters should be blamed for the current administration.
@wokerati @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
it's not at odds, it logically follows
if by your inaction you cause a problem, you don't get to whine about what you did
you created the problem if you did not vote
you are to blame
although i suppose you can complain, if you want, about your failure to act and pledge to vote
@benroyce @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i think this is projection. it is either or. imho they need to be won over. ideally with a campaign like Mamdani's.
we have to acknowledge that democracy is more then just a conjure trick between a few candidates.
I get the harm reduction narrative, but we can't get complacent.
there are issues that are both systemic and bipartisan to which apathy results.
@wokerati @baronvonj @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
We have mamdani because people voted
There are many other mamadanis we do not have because people did not vote
Not voting is the crucial problem. Everything else is secondary