ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES"Polls close in high-stakes Hungarian #election as #Magyar seeks to oust #Orbán"
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Lord HeeHaw II@JustRobForNow @evoterra @benroyce I like the Australian system (I think STV), other than compulsory voting. Not voting can also be a statement of political choice, even if it is too often abused.
@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
not voting is for morons
Mamdani v Cuomo
Magyar v Orban
HELLLOOOOOO???
@benroyce @JustRobForNow @evoterra To vote or not to vote . . . . I stand by my statement. And while I support a very large proportion of what @benroyce says, I think it would improve his viewpoint of electoral democracy if he were to be able to stop viewing the exhibition in the lobby only through the US letterbox. When there are 30 candidates, and none of them are worth a vote, then it's a tad hard to label the non-voter a moron. It's not always a simple strategy game.
@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
a nonvoter is a fucking moron
100%
always
perfect doesn't exist
you pick the person closest to you and iterate
that is the only way you improve the world
not choosing only means "i don't care"
and if someone doesn't care, considering the issues we are facing today, fuck such a piece of shit
Wokerati@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
I can see both sides of this argument, because it implies an understanding of politics that billionaires spend billions trying to prevent normies from understanding.
For instance trump being 'anti-war', it was obviously BS, but it was also stronger then any statement made by Kamala on Palestine.
Parties also need to earn votes and not just rely on gaining support for being the least worse option.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
it's not true the democrats suck therefore leftists don't vote
the truth is the left doesn't vote, therefore the democrats suck
"i'm going to wait until centrist corporatist assholes magically turn into leftists, then i'll vote" is just a stupid joke
you vote, in the primaries, and replace them
that's the way it works
looking to the democratic establishment as your cue before acting is bullshit. ignore them. replace them
proof:
mamdani
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i don't disagree with that but doners also play a large part not only in primary elections, but also the window of political discourse at a national level.
when money speaks louder than the people supposed to represented, may will feel disenchanted.
i'm not just talking about the left, but i do think that the majority of the electorate are leftist even if they don't know it yet.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
The problem is you frame it as a reason to give up and not vote
To depend upon an insane impossible signal before voting: centrists magically becoming leftists. You know that's never going to happen
And let them spend billions
Billions were spent on Orban. How did that turn out?
Because people fucking voted
Stop framing problems as a reason to disengage. It's weak and stupid
Our problems are a reason to get angry and fucking vote
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
not at all. i encourage voting. i just think parties should be fair in reasoning why those who didn't didn't.
to state otherwise is to blame the electorate for the actions of the opposition.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
No
You're completely wrong. Your focus is all wrong
You're obsessed with teaching centrist corporatist Democrats a lesson
Why?
Who fucking gives a shit what they think
You just show up. In the primaries. And vote. And replace the assholes
That's it
Beginning and ending of your concerns
That's the lesson of Mamdani
Why do you fucking care what Schumer thinks? Just replace the asshole. That should be the entirety of your thought process
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
We defiantly need more Mamdani's. In fact he gained prominence preciously because he was able to cut through with amazing comms and true leftist values.
It also highlighted the HUGE campaign against him, not just by racist republicans but a far more pernicious smear campaign within the democratic party spearheaded by the likes of Cuomo.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
"It also highlighted the HUGE campaign against him"
right but i want to make sure you fully get the point
people didn't sit home and not vote because the establishment opposed mamdani
they didn't whine that centrist assholes didn't support mamdani, therefore they couldn't vote, because they had to teach dem hq a "lesson" about listening to the left
they just ignored them
they just fucking voted
and the left won
*the whole fucking point*
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
he had an amazing campain preciously because he was able to cut through all the barriers.
i'm not saying don't vote, i'm saying lets address some of those barriers designed to keep leftists of the ballot.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
*the* barrier to leftists on the ballot is leftists not voting
what is turn out in the usual primary?
dismal
what happens if leftists mobbed the #primaries?
spent 1/1,000th the energy spent online whining, in just showing the fuck up?
we'd have 50 Mamdanis
all the centrist assholes, all the money, all the systemic issues: who fucking gives a shit
just show the fuck up
the biggest problem for the left, is the left
they don't vote
excited for the mastodon rise@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra I love you so much when you're on a roll on voting. Goddamn. <3
@qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
it's easy for me to go on a roll about voting
reality is on my side
#mamdani beats #cuomo: we just show the fuck up and vote and the left wins, forget all the bullshit. IN THE PRIMARIES
#magyar beats #orban: the money, the influence, the tricks... but people just showed the fuck up anyway
when the left constructs elaborate bullshit reasons to not vote, they are merely doing self-fulfilling cynicism prophecy
JUST FUCKING VOTE
@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra I mean, when the left does that they're being horse shit (horseshoe) lefties, controlled by the very righties they're claiming to hate; russians, oligarchs, and aristocrats all push the "they're not left enough don't vote" message because it resonates with the ennui and totally depowers the left.
So non-voters are so far leftwing they're rightwing.
@qkslvrwolf @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i don't consider them "so far left"
i consider them fake left
cosplayers, trolls, edgelords, etc camping on the label "left"
but they don't have ideological reasons for action
they have psychological reasons for inaction
they don't have morality:
morality requires action
but: all action is imperfect
yet they demand perfect action
an impossibility
therefore, they only have ego masturbation instead of morality
fake leftists
@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra I mean, "horseshoe left" is a long accepted conscrut I'm just using for a phrase I like, which is "horseshit lefters"
So...y'know...I'll concede it's an affection. :-)