ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES"Polls close in high-stakes Hungarian #election as #Magyar seeks to oust #Orbán"
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Lord HeeHaw II@JustRobForNow @evoterra @benroyce I like the Australian system (I think STV), other than compulsory voting. Not voting can also be a statement of political choice, even if it is too often abused.
@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
not voting is for morons
Mamdani v Cuomo
Magyar v Orban
HELLLOOOOOO???
@benroyce @JustRobForNow @evoterra To vote or not to vote . . . . I stand by my statement. And while I support a very large proportion of what @benroyce says, I think it would improve his viewpoint of electoral democracy if he were to be able to stop viewing the exhibition in the lobby only through the US letterbox. When there are 30 candidates, and none of them are worth a vote, then it's a tad hard to label the non-voter a moron. It's not always a simple strategy game.
@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
a nonvoter is a fucking moron
100%
always
perfect doesn't exist
you pick the person closest to you and iterate
that is the only way you improve the world
not choosing only means "i don't care"
and if someone doesn't care, considering the issues we are facing today, fuck such a piece of shit
Wokerati@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
I can see both sides of this argument, because it implies an understanding of politics that billionaires spend billions trying to prevent normies from understanding.
For instance trump being 'anti-war', it was obviously BS, but it was also stronger then any statement made by Kamala on Palestine.
Parties also need to earn votes and not just rely on gaining support for being the least worse option.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
it's not true the democrats suck therefore leftists don't vote
the truth is the left doesn't vote, therefore the democrats suck
"i'm going to wait until centrist corporatist assholes magically turn into leftists, then i'll vote" is just a stupid joke
you vote, in the primaries, and replace them
that's the way it works
looking to the democratic establishment as your cue before acting is bullshit. ignore them. replace them
proof:
mamdani
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i don't disagree with that but doners also play a large part not only in primary elections, but also the window of political discourse at a national level.
when money speaks louder than the people supposed to represented, may will feel disenchanted.
i'm not just talking about the left, but i do think that the majority of the electorate are leftist even if they don't know it yet.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
The problem is you frame it as a reason to give up and not vote
To depend upon an insane impossible signal before voting: centrists magically becoming leftists. You know that's never going to happen
And let them spend billions
Billions were spent on Orban. How did that turn out?
Because people fucking voted
Stop framing problems as a reason to disengage. It's weak and stupid
Our problems are a reason to get angry and fucking vote
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
not at all. i encourage voting. i just think parties should be fair in reasoning why those who didn't didn't.
to state otherwise is to blame the electorate for the actions of the opposition.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
No
You're completely wrong. Your focus is all wrong
You're obsessed with teaching centrist corporatist Democrats a lesson
Why?
Who fucking gives a shit what they think
You just show up. In the primaries. And vote. And replace the assholes
That's it
Beginning and ending of your concerns
That's the lesson of Mamdani
Why do you fucking care what Schumer thinks? Just replace the asshole. That should be the entirety of your thought process
June BlueSpruce@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra I can understand why someone would engage in a behavior and still label that behavior as harmful. Not voting is always harmful. The larger the turnout, the more likely the outcome will be more progressive. Republicans know this! That’s why, given that their policies and actions suck, they default to depressing turnout. Why is this so hard for leftists to see? 1/
@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra if we had had higher turnout:
Humphrey instead of Nixon in 1968 = a shorter Vietnam war, no Cointelpro etc.
Gore instead of Bush in 2000 = action on climate change, better Supreme Court justices who would have decided differently on Citizens United, abortion, etc. etc.
Clinton instead of Trump in 2016, Harris instead of Trump in 2024 = hugely better outcomes 2/
Humphrey instead of Nixon in 1968 = a shorter Vietnam war, no Cointelpro etc.
Gore instead of Bush in 2000 = action on climate change, better Supreme Court justices who would have decided differently on Citizens United, abortion, etc. etc.
Clinton instead of Trump in 2016, Harris instead of Trump in 2024 = hugely better outcomes 2/
@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra on a host of issues, including Gaza. All of these things that we would have gotten if there had been better turnout are now leftist goals that we are struggling to achieve while trying to make sure our democracy doesn’t collapse. So tell me again how not voting can sometimes be progressive, and show me your receipts. I have mine. 3/
@benroyce @wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra If someone’s engaged in a behavior you know to be harmful, understanding how they got there can be a first step toward supporting them in changing that behavior. But if you stop there, you’re just enabling the harm. Not voting is harmful to all of us. To be clear I’m speaking about people who choose not to vote, not people who get their votes taken from them. 4/
Aaron@jbluespruce @benroyce @wokerati "For some, it's deadly"
Thinking about the time I drove a family member five hours across multiple state lines because they needed healthcare illegal here.
That law is relatively new. It didn't used to be this way.
Thinking about the time I drove a family member five hours across multiple state lines because they needed healthcare illegal here.
That law is relatively new. It didn't used to be this way.
@aaron @benroyce @wokerati thank you. I am so sorry that you and your family member had to experience that. It’s completely wrong. I had to edit out that sentence because of character limits - I needed to clarify who I was talking to. But completely agree. How many people have died because of the actions of people who never should’ve become president in the first place? Millions.