ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES"Polls close in high-stakes Hungarian #election as #Magyar seeks to oust #Orbán"
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https://tvpworld.com/92591265/hungary-polls-close-as-magyars-tisza-seeks-to-oust-orbn
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Lord HeeHaw II@JustRobForNow @evoterra @benroyce I like the Australian system (I think STV), other than compulsory voting. Not voting can also be a statement of political choice, even if it is too often abused.
@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
not voting is for morons
Mamdani v Cuomo
Magyar v Orban
HELLLOOOOOO???
@benroyce @JustRobForNow @evoterra To vote or not to vote . . . . I stand by my statement. And while I support a very large proportion of what @benroyce says, I think it would improve his viewpoint of electoral democracy if he were to be able to stop viewing the exhibition in the lobby only through the US letterbox. When there are 30 candidates, and none of them are worth a vote, then it's a tad hard to label the non-voter a moron. It's not always a simple strategy game.
@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
a nonvoter is a fucking moron
100%
always
perfect doesn't exist
you pick the person closest to you and iterate
that is the only way you improve the world
not choosing only means "i don't care"
and if someone doesn't care, considering the issues we are facing today, fuck such a piece of shit
Wokerati@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
I can see both sides of this argument, because it implies an understanding of politics that billionaires spend billions trying to prevent normies from understanding.
For instance trump being 'anti-war', it was obviously BS, but it was also stronger then any statement made by Kamala on Palestine.
Parties also need to earn votes and not just rely on gaining support for being the least worse option.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
it's not true the democrats suck therefore leftists don't vote
the truth is the left doesn't vote, therefore the democrats suck
"i'm going to wait until centrist corporatist assholes magically turn into leftists, then i'll vote" is just a stupid joke
you vote, in the primaries, and replace them
that's the way it works
looking to the democratic establishment as your cue before acting is bullshit. ignore them. replace them
proof:
mamdani
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
i don't disagree with that but doners also play a large part not only in primary elections, but also the window of political discourse at a national level.
when money speaks louder than the people supposed to represented, may will feel disenchanted.
i'm not just talking about the left, but i do think that the majority of the electorate are leftist even if they don't know it yet.
@wokerati @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
The problem is you frame it as a reason to give up and not vote
To depend upon an insane impossible signal before voting: centrists magically becoming leftists. You know that's never going to happen
And let them spend billions
Billions were spent on Orban. How did that turn out?
Because people fucking voted
Stop framing problems as a reason to disengage. It's weak and stupid
Our problems are a reason to get angry and fucking vote
@benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra
not at all. i encourage voting. i just think parties should be fair in reasoning why those who didn't didn't.
to state otherwise is to blame the electorate for the actions of the opposition.
Carolyn@wokerati @benroyce @hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra The electorate needs to put on their grown-up pants and research what candidates stand for. Political elections aren’t bloody prom queen elections. They are serious things that affect our lives. Sitting around waiting to be wooed is asking for gloss over content.
politics is not romance
if you expect to have a politician who makes you swoon you're an idiot
you're supposed look at it like a simple strategy, think harm reduction, and then fucking vote and reduce the harm
if you sustain and iterate at that effort, you eventually will make good progress, and it will get easier
but if you don't vote because you don't hear angels singing you'll never get what you want, and in fact by your inaction you help make things worse