@anthropy @micr0 @e_mydata

Or is it too much to ask to get a #smol #smartphone that has:

• 3,5mm TRRS jack (CTIA prefered, but NATO standard is also okay!)
• #microSD slot (cuz convenient - ideally the internal storage was also on a microSD and fully replaceable. I don't expect socketed RAM tho.
• real #DualSIM ( #eSIM is not a valid substitute for a 2nd #SIM slot! If an OEM want they can just include 1-2 #eSIMcard|s thst are progammable with #nLPA / #MiniLPA in addition to two fully-functional SIM slots…)
• #ToolfreeSwappableBatteries (ideally just industry-standard cells like 18650 or 21700 #LiFePO4 - potentially even 2 for #HotSwapping!)

Yes I know it'll look like an #Iridium 9555 or #IridiumExtreme (PTT), but I care about #functionality and #Repairability ...

@JessTheUnstill @Pibble

If your threat model is "theft of devices by cops", make shure to be able to commit #AssetDenial or have nothing on the devices they can use!

• Burner #StupidPhones and (e)SIM-Cards are cheap. keep them switched off and the battery pulled out!

I'd consider wasting €20 on a #StupidPhone, €20 on a rewriteable #eSIMcard and €10-20 on an #eSIM a "necessary expense" and I'd gladly show people how to get that stuff and not burn their opsec/anonymity by doing so...

@Germo The problem I have is that #eSIM restricts my #FreedomOfChoice re: #Devices.

• Yes, I do use multiple devices and I want to be able to pick them freely.

Same with #eSIM: I can put that on a #SIM #Card *but I can't swap the soldered-down #Chip!

• #Fairphone could've offered / included an #eSIMcard (yes, these do exist!) and thus solved the entire issue: offering #eSIM & #DualSIM without the need of a #TripleSIM-capable #Baseband!

And yes, I routinely use #eSIMcards because I get the #freedom and #flexibility of choice, because it's noone's business which #device I use Which #plans on!

• And whilst courts in #Germany ruled it's illegal to charge for #DeciceSwaps re: #eSIMs, that is only enforceable against #MNO|s & #MVNO|s from #Germany!

Plus many plans I want to use and/or help people to setup are #SIMonly and not available as #eSIM (i.e. #netzclub)...

• No, eSIM is NOT a sufficient replacement even by the sheer fact that most of my devices can't even manage an eSIM Card unless that would he possible just with #ICCDcodes and *"#SIMtoolkit" / embedded Firmware on the #SIMcard!

I dare you to try to deploy an #eSIM on a #2Gonly #StupidPhone whereas a regular SIM can just be chugged in!

@max
To quote you directly:

"[...] easy to use solutions that are at the same time private and secure. [...]"

• The fact that @signalapp requires #PII like a #PhoneNumber which more often than not cannot be legally acquired anonymously makes it not #private.

It is easier, faster, cheaper and overall simpler to get someone setup with #XMPP + #OMEMO espechally if they don't have a #PhoneNumber and/or #ID to acquire a #SIM.

And if you go and say, "Just buy a [insert country here] [e]SIM!" and expect #TechIlliterates without a #CreditCard, #PayPal or other means of #OnlinePayment to fiddle around with some #eSIM if not having to get some #eSIMcard because they can only afford to maintain one SIM and can't spend triple-digits on a new devices then you completely missed the point!

• I can much faster and easier get TechIlliterates setup show them around - either in a @cryptoparty / @cryptoparty / #CryptoParty - style #classroom / #seminar or 1:1 tutoring than I can legally acquire and activate a new SIM in #Germany [since 07/2017]...

It's not that I expect anyone to get #TechLiterate within minutes, but similar to setting up a cordless DECT phone it's something one has to do once in 5 years and just have them put the password in a safe spot to retain...

Point is that #Signal #WontFix their setup and that was evidently clear even before @Mer__edith succeeded #MoxieMarlinspike: Their entire operation has a distinct #CryptoAG stench as it's an #unsustainable #VCmoneyBurning party!

• #CloudAct and the #NOBUS hegemony ain't something that just got executed now (neither was #GDPR & #BDSG!)...

A counterexample on how this could've been done are #Tor, #eMail and other truly #OpenSource as in #MultiVendor & #MultiProvider standards.

• NOTHING compells Signal to demand PII, run a #Shitcoin #Scam aka. #MobileCoin that even seasoned #TechLiterates and #CryptoBros can't setup properly, and in fact Signal using phone numbers makes it trivial to discriminate against users and easier for them to identify them!

• If my reasoning didn't resonate with you, then try helping i.e. undocumented migrants aka. "#SansPapier|s" to get setup with it without violating laws and/or ToS and/or needing an imported SIM which I'm shure most folks don't have on hand!

Whereas it's trivial to get people setup on one of many XMPP servers I've personally tested!

• Not to mention clients like @monocles / #monoclesChat and @gajim / #gajim are way more user-friendly and unlike Signal can also work perfectly fine over #Tor, including #OnionServices as endpoints.

AFAIK Signal doesn't even have an #OnionService / .onion for their Website, much less any #API enpoints to use it with!

• Them relying on #ClownFlare is just something that makes them even more #sus as there is no legitimate reason to use a #RogueISP like that.

You're free to also provide evidence and supporting data to your arguments, rather then neighsaying against proven to be more secure and reliable [by virtue of decentralization] options like XMPP+OMEMO and/or #PGP/MIME.

• What gets my blood boiling is the constant #disinfo by Signal Fanboys like @rysiek who sell it like #DigitalSnakeoil akin to #AntivirusSoftware, because it's at best "#TechPopulism" and at worst will mislead "TechIlliterates" with a false sense of security, which in turn puts more users at risk.

The proper fix is to actually assess the situation and acknowledge the risks and limitations as well as the very nature of communications, which means upgrading later is exponentially more painful, thus getting people properly setup once is way easier.

• Just because WE [ or rather @rysiek in this case ] rather privilegued enough to not be hatecrimed in their current location doesn't mean this is the case for everyone. And having places like Signal rely on a "#CDN" is just another red flag to me because questions like this one just don't arise with monocles.chat as people can just exercise proper #SelfCustody and just use Tor!

Speaking of #monocles: That business is at least #sustainable because it's funded by users (€2 p.m.) which they can pay anonymously