This week's comic: Highly selective health nuts
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This week's comic: Highly selective health nuts
@ai6yr @jensorensen I occasionally see people riding bikes while smoking.
Don’t want to get *too* healthy.
@ai6yr @jensorensen
Addiction is addicting 😔
Apparently the fitness scene can have a similar impact, with the endorphins released during exertion.
were they clove cigarettes? If so, I knew someone like that when I lived in Worst Jordan, Utah.
When gluten-free-as-a-fad-diet was big; I encountered people who would say things like "I am gluten-free except for pizza".
Then I would have to explain to them that that is not how it works for those of us with celiac.
@michael_w_busch @jensorensen @ai6yr I wish food fads like those would go away. It costs all the rest of us so much more in particular because "organic" took over so much. Growing "organic" costs more, uses more resources (including water, fertilizer, and land,) and of course the "certifications" cost too if they want an "official" "certification."
I still see "gluten free" on all kinds of things that are just stupid. I guess it's good to know there is no wheat germ in your tea? Hopefully it doesn't cost extra but who knows in some cases...
So far every single attempt to prove non-celiac disease gluten sensitivity actually exists has failed. Double blind studies have all shown it doesn't. I can't imagine how frustrating those people are for people with actual celiac disease.
@nazokiyoubinbou @jensorensen @ai6yr
I used to think that "gluten free" labels on tea did not make sense. Then I visited South Korea and China and had to learn how to identify barley in tea by smell.
But I really could do without the fad diet phenomenon of things being marketed as "gluten free" and then having "if you have celiac or wheat allergy, don't eat this" in the fine print.
@nazokiyoubinbou @jensorensen @ai6yr
The gluten subunit that is offending in celiac is conserved across all wheat, rye, and barley.
@michael_w_busch @jensorensen @ai6yr Ah, I see. I never imagined barley tea would be an issue. I guess one learns something new every day.
You can probably guess I have no gluten sensitivity issues.
@ai6yr @nazokiyoubinbou @jensorensen
I count myself fortunate that I have not had complications - since my gastroenterologists knew to test for it when I first had symptoms.
@nazokiyoubinbou @michael_w_busch @jensorensen @ai6yr I can't think of an example of anything a person could ingest that is obviously gluten free without a label saying so. Gluten is in everything from medicines to personal care products to fizzy drinks to cured meats.
What specific products are bothering you?
@coolandnormal @nazokiyoubinbou @michael_w_busch @jensorensen @ai6yr
A lot of brands sealed teabags with wheat paste. They are generally trying to phase it out, but it held really well and was just normal food to people who are not sensitive.
It's not just celiac, though, there are other diseases that require a gluten free diet. For myself, I love the fad dieters, because they make it cost-effective to create and sell gluten free products.
@Camille @nazokiyoubinbou @michael_w_busch @jensorensen @ai6yr I found it was great for buying overseas products too.
Here (australia) colours and flavours have to be named specifically, so it's fairly easy to remember the grain derived ones. But American products often just say "natural colours and flavours" in the ingredients list. It's impossible to know if they're ones made from gluten containing grains, so they're often avoided because taking the chance is too dangerous.
Isn’t the norm with other allergens that products containing the allergens are the ones being labeled?
There definitely should be some labeling to distinguish between products with and without allergens. Having no way to distinguish is objectively a problem.
@kasperd @ai6yr @michael_w_busch @jensorensen @nazokiyoubinbou Generally, yes, products are labeled with the common allergens which they contain rather than what is known to be absent. Rules around allergens and allergy labeling are deeply weird, though (e.g, look into the sesame situation). And rules around alcohol are also deeply weird. Anywhere the two intersect will doubtless have problems. For example, allergen information is typically part of the nutrition facts label, and very few alcoholic beverages have that (or an ingredients list).
I did just find a few wines which list themselves as gluten-free, so maybe the situation has changed since I last looked.
@michael_w_busch @ai6yr @nazokiyoubinbou @jensorensen
What sort of “organic” costs more for fertilizer?
There’s “organic” in the chemical sense of containing hydrocarbons, but that’s not what is generally meant when growing organic food.
When I was an organic vegetable farmer, it wasn’t more expensive, but it was more work. It also didn’t sell for higher prices than conventional vegetables back then.
@gdinwiddie @michael_w_busch @ai6yr @jensorensen Organic has lower yields, thus uses more land to obtain equal outputs.
More land = more fertilizer before more land.
And we both know when I said "organic" with it in quotes I didn't mean the literal scientific definition, but the one the market is using. Hence the quotes.
Sorry to step on toes, but it's not exactly an exercise in efficiency and this results in a higher overall cost to the end consumer.
@nazokiyoubinbou
What are you using for fertilizer?
I used composted plants and horse manure (free for the hauling from a horse farm).
I question your assertion that organic has lower yields. With companion planting, I could get two crops in the same plot of ground.
@nazokiyoubinbou with organic, here in Germany (and the rest of the EU) we buy it not so much for personal health benefits as to lower environmental impact. The animals are treated better, no fossil fertilizers, pesticides, and so on. It's matured beyond its new age beginnings.
I guess in the USA it's still considered a fad?
@jeana @nazokiyoubinbou @jensorensen @ai6yr
I used to like Red Vines and Twizzlers.
Can't eat those any more.
@michael_w_busch @jensorensen @ai6yr when I was a child my family kept a gluten free kitchen and always took gluten free stuff to local events.
We would constantly have people saying "I'll have the gluten free one, I'm trying to lose weight/it's healthy" and pick up one gluten free cake to go with their otherwise normal meal.
The cake would always be mostly butter and sugar.
In the late 90s there was a pervasive belief in australia that you could get healthy by putting a blob of butter and sugar with your meal. As long as the butter/sugar blob contains no gluten (your meal can have gluten though).
@coolandnormal @michael_w_busch @jensorensen @ai6yr
This was the one nice thing about the fad. We have friends whose kids have celiac disease and it made it a lot easier for us to bring things they could eat to school group get togethers. It always made the kids really happy to have treats/food that they could eat.
@pomegranate_stew @michael_w_busch @jensorensen @ai6yr yeah this was actually really handy. Before the fad, nothing was labelled gluten free unless it was a special version of a product that's normally wheat based. With other products you'd just have to read all the ingredients and know all the codes for all the E-numbers with gluten in them (mostly thickeners and texture agents, but also some flavours and colours).
But then when the fad hit, companies realised they could make [something]-free a selling point instead of treating it like the weird obscure special needs option.
@coolandnormal @michael_w_busch @jensorensen @ai6yr
Oh definitely. We had to buy a specific brand of vanilla, because some were not safe for them.
I got good at reading labels when one of our kids had a milk allergy* as an infant, but gluten was even sneakier.
*fortunately grew out of it, but is still lactose intolerant.
@ClimateJenny @jensorensen @ai6yr
"grain free" on desserts has been an interesting one lately.
@michael_w_busch @jensorensen @ai6yr
Non-allergic and non-celiac inflammatory reactions aren't a new or imaginary thing. And with my recent onset of extreme lactose intolerance, I can appreciate the very weird locations in which unexpected foods can be found. Eg, milk-free bread is the exception, not the norm.
And as with lactose intolerance, I could imagine that someone who can't handle much gluten on a regular basis might opt to stomach the discomfort from time to time to indulge in a treat 🤷♀️
@jensorensen this is the very thing that has baffled me about these groups. They're obsessed with stuff in the air, or microplastics, but also often support groups who have very clearly loosened regulations allowing more microplastics in food.
I know the answer is that education is underfunded, and they just haven't learned critical thinking, but I don't like that answer. All their talk about research, it's very unsatisfying how little it actually matters to them.
@jensorensen oh this definitely reminds me of a bunch of YouTube advertisements... like almost every frame on the comic is ironically enough a reference to a hypocritical ad aimed at suckers.
I get particularly annoyed about ones that reference "Dr Steven Gundry" because it's all anti-science marketing BS.... and don't get me started on the products Chuck Norris is selling....
That being said there are probably tiny fragments of truth in a lot of these that end up getting distorted...
To the point, one of the best cartoons I ever saw.
So they are just contrarians. If the government said "obligations for everyone to exercise daily" they would just stop doing it.
The strip states "Many on the right..." so libertarians might be included but not them exclusively I guess.