@fnwbr And yet, here i be, revelling in the delightful UX that is my  , with all the #telemetry disabled, the #AI disabled, numerous other parameters hardened via my #userJS, with the exquisite #Sidebery & its infinitely-nestable tree-tabs & multiple #Workspaces on its LHS, & the brilliant project #FirefoxSecondSidebar with my 21 #WebPanels on its RHS. It's such a great daily browsing UX, unfazed by the last ten days of global #FUD [all the so-called nasties can be disabled, either via simple clicks in the Settings UI, or otherwise via about:config / user.js]. Herd-mentality is a ridiculous trait of humans. 🙄🤦‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

@MsDropbear42 Oh ffs, this latest experiment with  #ZenBrowser has ended after only a few hours, due to yet another catastrophic failure, preceded by various annoyances:

• the dedicated Search Bar refused to show the drop-down menu of alternative search engines [works fine in  and  ]
• the #Stylus AO refused to respond to clicks on its various usage & management icons in its drop-down menu [works fine in  and  ]
• a link i opened from my Masto #Statuzer page decided to behave like i'd used #Glance [i did not], then when i converted it into a normal tab, entirely froze the Statuzer tab
• wondering if possibly restarting Zen might fix the above, i tried to do so, which then destroyed my carefully crafted Zen profile... what ensued was a UI without various standard changes i'd made [eg, the Search Bar was gone again, the native tabs bar refused to Collapse again], but worst of all, all my open tabs were gone... again 😲 🤯🙄🤦‍♀️😡

My dear old  might be less pretty, less visually exciting, & might not have native split tabs, but far out it is & remains way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more reliable than Zen. I mean, it's really a bit silly...  is Alpha,  is Beta, yet the former is generally rock solid reliable in the ~decade i've been using it. Otoh, all my experiments with Zen, over the past ~12-18 months, have ended in disappointment, frustration, & often also destruction.

So, yet again, i return to...

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

@thelinuxEXP Hi Nick. Oh well, fwiw, i continue to trust my , but i reinforce that sense of equanimity with my long-standing disabling of all the telemetry, both via the UI Preferences check-boxes, & my discrete additions to my user.js. I do not defend Mozilla's unbelievably hamfisted binfire they created last week & subsequently, but i do til further notice accept their explanation [&, as i said, i have forced all telemetry off anyway].

 11 [which i think you installed] is nearing end-of-life [but i happily ran it for over a year til a few months ago], & #Floorp 12 via recently released Beta is improving each few days but so far remains very broken & feature-incomplete.

 was a very interesting option i ran for several months, but have largely lost interest in it nowadays as its development has headed off in areas of little interest to me, whilst neglecting features of importance to me.

#Tor #LibreWolf #Waterfox all fail to meet my daily usability preferences.

So til further notice, i remain happily in this mode, fwiw:

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Best wishes with your alternative choices, hope it all goes well for you.

@kinetix @mitten It's not for me to recommend, coz i have no way of knowing other peep's use-cases, threat models, & UX priorities. However i'll illustrate with some dot points for me... but none of this might pertain to you/others. Everyone needs to make their own decision.

• privacy & security are high priority for me
• a sophisticated browser UX is high priority for me, including high levels of customisability
• the preceding two points are clearly in collision, & when that arises, i tip towards UX over P&S, so long as P&S still remain above my acceptable minimum thresholds
• thus, all chromium browsers are off the table for me, coz... google, & Mv3, thus no more uBO... i refuse to accept that
• so it still needs to be a Gecko browser for me, meaning... original FF, or fork?
• i've tested & rejected both #Tor & #Librewolf, coz both have sacrificed too much UX for P&S
• i've extensively tested & used for several months, both #Floorp & #ZenBrowser. I was initially very thrilled by both, but the latter is now heading off in UX directions completely anathema to me, whilst the former [being atm still v11, ie, #ESR-forked] is several months overdue on release of its heralded v12 that will be rebased to FF-release version. I keenly await this.
• so for the time being, i remain happily using ...

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

• the same positive UX + P&S combo also pertains [for me; i am NOT generalising to other peeps] for vanilla #Firefox, it's just that i like being more on the cutting edge for faster arrival of new goodies & bug fixes.
  

Fwiw.

@kkarhan @karlauerbach @adamshostack Fwiw...

So many peeps are writing so much stuff about the badness of #Firefox [due to the mismanagement by #Mozilla], & the "imminent" end of the Fox road if/when gargle stops funding Mozilla. I have a certain sympathy with such views. However it's the next part that gobsmacks me... all the despairing Foxers already abandoning FF, & jumping to some chromium poison. Far out, talk about an exercise in foot gun bang 🙄🤦‍♀️

Certainly, i dunno what the Fox Future will be, but jumping now at shadows seems perverse. By all means, let's jump some indeterminate time in the future if FF becomes actually dead, but for now, all i know is that my  #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf...

@nixCraft There's so much #FUD misinformation in this post & all its copies across the interwebz. Yes it seems that here Mozilla made a ridiculous stuffup, subsequently acknowledged, albeit too late. However so many peeps seem to be naively or indeed maliciously ignoring the primary issue...

• #Firefox & forks retaining full #Mv2 capability means that Mv2 #uBO continues to run in FF, with all the configurability granularity & security / privacy that entails
• otoh Be Evil google have now rendered chrome & chromium only Mv3-functional, ergo breaking uBO in them & leaving them with only #uBOL, or worse.