@BlackIkeEagle fwiw, ex-vivaldi user here [via your repo, heehee]. i had multiple reasons eventually, after many years, to prefer fox over vee, in addition to the one you named. not only but including;

• no html5 canvas fingerprinting protection in v even using the dedicated extensions for it, which otoh work fine in ff;
• no #mv2 anymore [or else very soon?], so no more #uBO (& neither #uBOL, nor their native static list-based blocker, compares or suffices);
• after all these years afaik still a lukewarm single-windowlet PiP capability;
• no capability for sophisticated infinitely nested tab hierarchy ;
• user profiles are [or at least, were] not truly independent like they are in ff
• native #RSS #feedreader tended to #necrofetch like a proper bastard, negating any advantage over just using an extension / addon;
• unlike many v critics who mouth-off at it not being fully #FOSS, that never was more than a low-level irritant for me, as i emphatically trust Jon ever since OperaPresto, but otoh, using v axiomatically meant i was implicitly contributing to the single-engining of the web, which i oppose on principle

anyway, all these debates across the interwebz are ok, but as long as users can find something that makes them happy, then it's lovely.

@vkc Yes, I care about my browser engine 👍

• It's why, years ago, i wandered away from Vivaldi to #FirefoxNightly  , even when vivaldi still supported #Mv2
• now that chromium is #Mv3, ergo no #uBlockOrigin, ergo no dynamic filter rules, i simply cannot envisage any chromium browser returning to live in my penguins
• via my carefully curated #userJS i keep all ai disabled in my 
• this overnight Mozilla announcement is hugely distressing; they just increasingly Do Not Get It 🙄🤦‍♀️
• if it gets to the stage where Mozilla removes users' ability to disable ai, i suppose i shall have to return to an airgapped abacus 🤪

#FuckGenerativeAI

@fnwbr And yet, here i be, revelling in the delightful UX that is my  , with all the #telemetry disabled, the #AI disabled, numerous other parameters hardened via my #userJS, with the exquisite #Sidebery & its infinitely-nestable tree-tabs & multiple #Workspaces on its LHS, & the brilliant project #FirefoxSecondSidebar with my 21 #WebPanels on its RHS. It's such a great daily browsing UX, unfazed by the last ten days of global #FUD [all the so-called nasties can be disabled, either via simple clicks in the Settings UI, or otherwise via about:config / user.js]. Herd-mentality is a ridiculous trait of humans. 🙄🤦‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

@MsDropbear42 Oh ffs, this latest experiment with  #ZenBrowser has ended after only a few hours, due to yet another catastrophic failure, preceded by various annoyances:

• the dedicated Search Bar refused to show the drop-down menu of alternative search engines [works fine in  and  ]
• the #Stylus AO refused to respond to clicks on its various usage & management icons in its drop-down menu [works fine in  and  ]
• a link i opened from my Masto #Statuzer page decided to behave like i'd used #Glance [i did not], then when i converted it into a normal tab, entirely froze the Statuzer tab
• wondering if possibly restarting Zen might fix the above, i tried to do so, which then destroyed my carefully crafted Zen profile... what ensued was a UI without various standard changes i'd made [eg, the Search Bar was gone again, the native tabs bar refused to Collapse again], but worst of all, all my open tabs were gone... again 😲 🤯🙄🤦‍♀️😡

My dear old  might be less pretty, less visually exciting, & might not have native split tabs, but far out it is & remains way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more reliable than Zen. I mean, it's really a bit silly...  is Alpha,  is Beta, yet the former is generally rock solid reliable in the ~decade i've been using it. Otoh, all my experiments with Zen, over the past ~12-18 months, have ended in disappointment, frustration, & often also destruction.

So, yet again, i return to...

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

@thelinuxEXP Hi Nick. Oh well, fwiw, i continue to trust my , but i reinforce that sense of equanimity with my long-standing disabling of all the telemetry, both via the UI Preferences check-boxes, & my discrete additions to my user.js. I do not defend Mozilla's unbelievably hamfisted binfire they created last week & subsequently, but i do til further notice accept their explanation [&, as i said, i have forced all telemetry off anyway].

 11 [which i think you installed] is nearing end-of-life [but i happily ran it for over a year til a few months ago], & #Floorp 12 via recently released Beta is improving each few days but so far remains very broken & feature-incomplete.

 was a very interesting option i ran for several months, but have largely lost interest in it nowadays as its development has headed off in areas of little interest to me, whilst neglecting features of importance to me.

#Tor #LibreWolf #Waterfox all fail to meet my daily usability preferences.

So til further notice, i remain happily in this mode, fwiw:

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Best wishes with your alternative choices, hope it all goes well for you.

@kinetix @mitten It's not for me to recommend, coz i have no way of knowing other peep's use-cases, threat models, & UX priorities. However i'll illustrate with some dot points for me... but none of this might pertain to you/others. Everyone needs to make their own decision.

• privacy & security are high priority for me
• a sophisticated browser UX is high priority for me, including high levels of customisability
• the preceding two points are clearly in collision, & when that arises, i tip towards UX over P&S, so long as P&S still remain above my acceptable minimum thresholds
• thus, all chromium browsers are off the table for me, coz... google, & Mv3, thus no more uBO... i refuse to accept that
• so it still needs to be a Gecko browser for me, meaning... original FF, or fork?
• i've tested & rejected both #Tor & #Librewolf, coz both have sacrificed too much UX for P&S
• i've extensively tested & used for several months, both #Floorp & #ZenBrowser. I was initially very thrilled by both, but the latter is now heading off in UX directions completely anathema to me, whilst the former [being atm still v11, ie, #ESR-forked] is several months overdue on release of its heralded v12 that will be rebased to FF-release version. I keenly await this.
• so for the time being, i remain happily using ...

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

• the same positive UX + P&S combo also pertains [for me; i am NOT generalising to other peeps] for vanilla #Firefox, it's just that i like being more on the cutting edge for faster arrival of new goodies & bug fixes.
  

Fwiw.