@nicemicro have you looked at the #firefoxsecondsidebar project? once you set it up you have a magnificent second sidebar [more powerful than those in vivaldi, floorp] with excellent granular settings, in which you can place #WebPanels of any site, & many AddOns, of your choice, thence [should you choose to configure it this way], easily do your

browse the web on one side and chat on the other sidehttps://github.com/aminought/firefox-second-sidebar

@MsDropbear42 @floorp Well well well, how nice! 💃💃

Floorp Daylight aka Floorp 12 Beta, Version [email protected] as available 11 hours ago at https://github.com/Floorp-Projects/Floorp-12/releases/tag/beta, has made a major jump forward in features & reliability.

  • Now its #Workspaces seem to work, and survive restarts [older Betas failed on one or both of those]
  • it now has native #MouseGestures and they work [so i can remove #Gesturefy]
  • its native #WebPanels #Sidebar is less powerful than the #FirefoxSecondSidebar project, but is still excellent & highly usable
  • its internal special Floorp settings page, now called Floorp Hub, has regained several [albeit certainly not all] of the fab #Floorp11 UI options

Atm the native #Firefox #TabGroups do not respect Workspaces, ie, persist across all of them, unlike ordinary tabs which now do stay in their respective WS. Thus my next focus of interest will be to see if coming Betas manage to fully integrate these Groups into the Workspaces.

TLDR: This latest Beta is such that i can now seriously consider the possibility of using it as more than just a curiosity, & as an actual daily browser.

#floorp #floorp12

Release Floorp 12 beta build · Floorp-Projects/Floorp-12

Floorp Daylight: Based on Firefox Stable Channel This is NOT the release (stable) channel version of Floorp. This is a beta build of Floorp. It is intended for testing purposes only. It is not reco...

GitHub

@fnwbr And yet, here i be, revelling in the delightful UX that is my  , with all the #telemetry disabled, the #AI disabled, numerous other parameters hardened via my #userJS, with the exquisite #Sidebery & its infinitely-nestable tree-tabs & multiple #Workspaces on its LHS, & the brilliant project #FirefoxSecondSidebar with my 21 #WebPanels on its RHS. It's such a great daily browsing UX, unfazed by the last ten days of global #FUD [all the so-called nasties can be disabled, either via simple clicks in the Settings UI, or otherwise via about:config / user.js]. Herd-mentality is a ridiculous trait of humans. 🙄🤦‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Have decided to give #ZenBrowser another go, but with conditions:

In case anyone wonders, this [temporary?] change from my hitherto daily  [#FirefoxNightly + #Sidebery + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar] has nothing to do with the recent global #FUD wrt Mozilla's #TOU / #EULA, but instead is due to the aesthetic pleasantness of  & the desire to use its #SplitTabView #TabSplitView #TabPaneView; two undeniable advantages over Nightly.

* the Zen subreddit is full of users posting that Zen spontaneously lost all their tabs, or all their pinned tabs, or all their unpinned tabs. In my own past months of using Zen with its native #Workspaces & tabs, it also happened to me, twice, & it is most exasperating.

GitHub - aminought/firefox-second-sidebar: A Firefox userChrome.js script that brings a second sidebar with web panels like in Vivaldi/Edge/Floorp but better.

A Firefox userChrome.js script that brings a second sidebar with web panels like in Vivaldi/Edge/Floorp but better. - aminought/firefox-second-sidebar

GitHub

Tip #624

Turn Extension pop-out dialogs into Web Panels.

Some Extension dialogs can be quite complex. To make using them easier, you can convert the pop-out dialogs into Web Panels.

To add an extension to Web Panels:

  • Install an extension from Chrome Web Store.
  • Click on it on the Address Bar to open its pop-out dialog.
  • Right-click on the dialog.
  • Select “Add Page to Web Panel” form the context menu.
  • If needed, adjust the width of the panel.
  • It’s not guaranteed to work with all extensions, but most should behave just fine.

    #extensions #WebPanels

    https://vivaldi.com/?p=749058

    Using Extensions in Vivaldi | Vivaldi Browser Help

    Vivaldi is compatible with most extensions available in the Chrome Web Store. Find out how to add and manage Extensions in Vivaldi.

    Vivaldi Browser Help

    @dec_hl There is so sooooooooo much bullshit, #FUD & outright lies being spread about #Firefox lately. Don't want #AI in it? Fine, simply keep the setting disabled [as i do]. Don't want to be involved in the weirdarse ads thing mozilla did a few months ago? Fine, also keep that setting disabled [as i do]. Maybe Firefox will cease to be if gargle is forced to stop funding Firefox Search? Ok, if/when that happens, it would be time to find another browser, but it has not happened yet & might not happen at all, so running away screaming with hands waving in the air now, as many seem to advocate, is stupid.

    My daily browsing experience continues to be magnificent with  #FirefoxNightly + #Sidebery + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar [for #WebPanels].

     #Floorp 11 was nice to use for a while, but its replacement 12 is months late with minimal public info easily found.

     #ZenBrowser recently progressed from Alpha to Beta status, but i stopped using it several weeks ago in frustration at the wild swings in browser design the Dev keeps trying. Certainly though it will be worthwhile revisiting once it reaches Stable phase.

    Personally i will never ever use Chrome under any circumstances, only occasionally launch Chromium under sufferance, abandoned Vivaldi a couple of years ago, & also dislike Brave... so if the day does ever arise when FF is no more, the remaining choice will be odious indeed.

    Tip #610

    Reopen closed Web Panels instead of adding them again.

    Adding new Web Panels is pretty straightforward in Vivaldi, but when it’s a Web Panel you’ve already had on your browser’s sidebar, it’s even easier to restore it.

    To reopen a Web Panel:

  • Right-click on one of the Panel buttons.
  • Select “Closed Web Panels”.
  • Click on the closed Web Panel you want to add back to the sidebar.
  • #panels #webPanels

    https://tips.vivaldi.net/tip-610/

    Web Panels | Vivaldi Browser Help

    Web Panels are customisable tabs which allow you to keep your favourite sites easily accessible in the side Panel of Vivaldi. Find out how to add your own here!

    Vivaldi Browser Help
    Years ago Opera Presto, then later Vivaldi, switched me onto the substantial browser usability improvements from a dedicated second sidebar incorporating customisable #WebPanels. Sadly, eventually, it became too hard to keep faith with the Vivaldi project for numerous design reasons. #FirefoxNightly  with #Sidebery became my new home instead, despite lacking that extra sidebar. Much more recently, #Floorp  crossed my radar, replete with a Vivaldi-esque WP sidebar, & i was smitten. It does, however, have some issues i dislike, but i tolerated them for the overall good. Then #ZenBrowser  arrived, & i had a new love, albeit its unusual WP implementation is less convenient than it should be. Atm both  &  seem to be heading in design directions less attractive to me, so the age-old quandary continued. Then, a few days ago, i serendipitously stumbled onto this fab project https://github.com/aminought/firefox-second-sidebar, & now i'm as happy as a porcine creature in biological byproduct...  with a dedicated second sidebar incorporating customisable #WebPanels. 🎉 🥳 👯‍♀️
    GitHub - aminought/firefox-second-sidebar: A Firefox userChrome.js script that brings a second sidebar with web panels like in Vivaldi/Edge/Floorp but better.

    A Firefox userChrome.js script that brings a second sidebar with web panels like in Vivaldi/Edge/Floorp but better. - aminought/firefox-second-sidebar

    GitHub

    Tip #600

    Create Keyboard Shortcuts for opening and closings individual Web Panels.

    Keyboard Shortcuts are excellent for opening and closing Web Panels for a quick glance. But before you toggle Web Panels with Keyboard Shortcuts, you need to assign each panel its unique shortcut.

    To add Keyboard Shortcuts:

  • Go to Settings > Keyboard Shortcuts > View.
  • Find the command “Web Panel 1”.
  • Click in the box next to it.
  • Press the keys you want to use for the shortcut on your keyboard.
  • Repeat with other Web Panels.
  • Then whenever you want to open one of the web panels just use the shortcut for both opening and closing the panel. If you already have one open, the shortcut will switch focus to the one you need.

    #keyboardShortcuts #webPanels

    https://tips.vivaldi.net/tip-600/

    Web Panels | Vivaldi Browser Help

    Web Panels are customisable tabs which allow you to keep your favourite sites easily accessible in the side Panel of Vivaldi. Find out how to add your own here!

    Vivaldi Browser Help

    Tip #558

    Vivaldi’s Web Panels aren’t limited to just the mobile view. Learn how to get the desktop version.

    Web Panels show you the mobile view of a web page. Some websites show pages on mobile much differently than on desktop or don’t even let you use some of the site’s functionality. Don’t let this stop you! Simply click on the “Switch to Desktop/Mobile View” button at the top of the panel and get to the content you’re after.

    If things are a bit tight with the desktop view, check out Tip #15 and learn how to make the web panel wider without changing the size of the other Panels.

    #panels #webPanels

    https://tips.vivaldi.net/tip-558/

    Web Panels | Vivaldi Browser Help

    Web Panels are customisable tabs which allow you to keep your favourite sites easily accessible in the side Panel of Vivaldi. Find out how to add your own here!

    Vivaldi Browser Help