DroppieMay 4

oh that's easy

How far behind is each major Chromium browser?Answer: years & years & years

they still can't show multiple PiPs, still can't support treed tabs, still can't use proper uBO, still can't...

ps: yes yes, i know that's not what the questioner meant, but it was impossible not to pluck the very low hanging fruit. fuck google!

#FirefoxNightly with #NativeSplitTabs, + #FirefoxSecondSidebar + #Sidebery = 💃🥳🎉💯
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.#FirefoxNightly with #NativeSplitTabs, + #FirefoxSecondSidebar + #TreeStyleTab + #SimpleTabGroups = 💃🥳🎉
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#FirefoxNightly with #NativeVerticalTabs and #NativeSplitTabs, + #FirefoxSecondSidebar + #SimpleTabGroups = 💃🥳
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#DropbearPooterising #LinuxWomen

RE: https://m.einverne.info/users/HackerNewsBot/statuses/116512300597947176

Droppie [infosec] 🐨    ​Mar 24

@scottwilson peeps seem to whinge about this a lot, yet my  , my daily default browser for many many years, the alpha & thus notionally unstable fox, has never done this to me. never.

i read so many fedi & subreddit whines & whinges about such & such faults, bugs, misbehaviours et al perpetrated by this apparently miserably bad browser, all the while continuing to have a lovely online time here in my Nightly, & i just shrug & wonder how so many peeps can be so... unlucky 🤨🤷‍♀️

#FirefoxNightly with #NativeSplitTabs, + #FirefoxSecondSidebar + #Sidebery = 💃🥳🎉💯
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#FirefoxNightly with #NativeSplitTabs, + #FirefoxSecondSidebar + #TreeStyleTab + #SimpleTabGroups = 💃🥳🎉
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#FirefoxNightly with #NativeVerticalTabs and #NativeSplitTabs, + #FirefoxSecondSidebar + #SimpleTabGroups = 💃🥳
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#DropbearPooterising #LinuxWomen

DroppieOct 24, 2025
totes agree with critiques like this. #ZenBrowser lost me a long time ago with its terrible unreliability for tab preservation across restarts, & its bizarrely unintuitive "aesthetics over utility" fetish. 🤯

https://www.reddit.com/r/zen_browser/comments/1oequoi/newish_zen_user_confused_about_the_simple_things/

each week i ask myself why i've not yet uninstalled it, & each week i answer that i'm clinging on in the fading hope of a design eureka moment... which i think is prolly delusional on my part. every other update i launch it to see if sanity has returned, only to close it again in frustration.

meanwhile...

​​ #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #SimpleTabGroups + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = 💜 🎉 🥳👯‍♀️
Droppie [infosec] 🐨    ​Apr 6, 2025

Like a mindless moth to a flame, this morn i was tempted to give #ZenBrowser yet another chance, despite its disappointing history of letting me down, eg:

Sadly, yet again after only ~two hours, i had to abandon it again, when i discovered that the bug with the search-bar dropdown menu remains broken, such that choosing impromptu searches in my alternative search engines remains impossible.

So, back i go, yet again, to the lovely... and reliable...  

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan:​ (@[email protected])

Have decided to give #ZenBrowser another go, but with conditions: - #Sidebery, not its unreliable\* & *not-my-cup-of-tea* native tabs - #FirefoxSecondSidebar https://github.com/aminought/firefox-second-sidebar, not its unsatisfactory native #WebPanels In case anyone wonders, this [temporary?] change from my hitherto daily :firefox_nightly: [#FirefoxNightly + #Sidebery + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar] has ***nothing*** to do with the recent global #FUD wrt Mozilla's #TOU / #EULA, but instead is due to the aesthetic pleasantness of :zenbrowser: & the desire to use its #SplitTabView #TabSplitView #TabPaneView; two undeniable advantages over Nightly. \* the Zen subreddit is full of users posting that Zen spontaneously lost all their tabs, or all their pinned tabs, or all their unpinned tabs. In my own past months of using Zen with its native #Workspaces & tabs, it also happened to me, twice, & it is most exasperating.

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Show threadDroppie [infosec] 🐨    ​Mar 11, 2025

@fnwbr And yet, here i be, revelling in the delightful UX that is my  , with all the #telemetry disabled, the #AI disabled, numerous other parameters hardened via my #userJS, with the exquisite #Sidebery & its infinitely-nestable tree-tabs & multiple #Workspaces on its LHS, & the brilliant project #FirefoxSecondSidebar with my 21 #WebPanels on its RHS. It's such a great daily browsing UX, unfazed by the last ten days of global #FUD [all the so-called nasties can be disabled, either via simple clicks in the Settings UI, or otherwise via about:config / user.js]. Herd-mentality is a ridiculous trait of humans. 🙄🤦‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Show threadDroppie [infosec] 🐨    ​Mar 10, 2025

@MsDropbear42 Oh ffs, this latest experiment with  #ZenBrowser has ended after only a few hours, due to yet another catastrophic failure, preceded by various annoyances:

  • the dedicated Search Bar refused to show the drop-down menu of alternative search engines [works fine in  and  ]
  • the #Stylus AO refused to respond to clicks on its various usage & management icons in its drop-down menu [works fine in  and  ]
  • a link i opened from my Masto #Statuzer page decided to behave like i'd used #Glance [i did not], then when i converted it into a normal tab, entirely froze the Statuzer tab
  • wondering if possibly restarting Zen might fix the above, i tried to do so, which then destroyed my carefully crafted Zen profile... what ensued was a UI without various standard changes i'd made [eg, the Search Bar was gone again, the native tabs bar refused to Collapse again], but worst of all, all my open tabs were gone... again 😲 🤯🙄🤦‍♀️😡

My dear old  might be less pretty, less visually exciting, & might not have native split tabs, but far out it is & remains way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more reliable than Zen. I mean, it's really a bit silly...  is Alpha,  is Beta, yet the former is generally rock solid reliable in the ~decade i've been using it. Otoh, all my experiments with Zen, over the past ~12-18 months, have ended in disappointment, frustration, & often also destruction.

So, yet again, i return to...

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Droppie [infosec] 🐨    ​Mar 8, 2025

@eknobl Also, the native #TabGroups have been working well for several weeks in , & in my recent testing they also now seem to have become reliable in  . The whole native #VerticalTabs UI ootb has ridiculous amounts of padding per tab, such that a stupidly small number of tabs can be open before invoking the scrollbar... i fixed this via some #CSS. The one remaining major design paradigm i dislike is that the tab groups are primitive like in Vivaldi & Chromium, ie, only single-level; no hierarchical trees are possible. Hence, even though the new VTs & TGs are aesthetically pleasing & quite usable, i still keep returning to Sidebery.

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Show threadDroppie [infosec] 🐨    ​Mar 6, 2025

@thelinuxEXP Hi Nick. Oh well, fwiw, i continue to trust my , but i reinforce that sense of equanimity with my long-standing disabling of all the telemetry, both via the UI Preferences check-boxes, & my discrete additions to my user.js. I do not defend Mozilla's unbelievably hamfisted binfire they created last week & subsequently, but i do til further notice accept their explanation [&, as i said, i have forced all telemetry off anyway].

 11 [which i think you installed] is nearing end-of-life [but i happily ran it for over a year til a few months ago], & #Floorp 12 via recently released Beta is improving each few days but so far remains very broken & feature-incomplete.

 was a very interesting option i ran for several months, but have largely lost interest in it nowadays as its development has headed off in areas of little interest to me, whilst neglecting features of importance to me.

#Tor #LibreWolf #Waterfox all fail to meet my daily usability preferences.

So til further notice, i remain happily in this mode, fwiw:

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Best wishes with your alternative choices, hope it all goes well for you.

Show threadDroppie [infosec] 🐨    ​Feb 28, 2025

@kinetix @mitten It's not for me to recommend, coz i have no way of knowing other peep's use-cases, threat models, & UX priorities. However i'll illustrate with some dot points for me... but none of this might pertain to you/others. Everyone needs to make their own decision.

  • privacy & security are high priority for me
  • a sophisticated browser UX is high priority for me, including high levels of customisability
  • the preceding two points are clearly in collision, & when that arises, i tip towards UX over P&S, so long as P&S still remain above my acceptable minimum thresholds
  • thus, all chromium browsers are off the table for me, coz... google, & Mv3, thus no more uBO... i refuse to accept that
  • so it still needs to be a Gecko browser for me, meaning... original FF, or fork?
  • i've tested & rejected both #Tor & #Librewolf, coz both have sacrificed too much UX for P&S
  • i've extensively tested & used for several months, both #Floorp & #ZenBrowser. I was initially very thrilled by both, but the latter is now heading off in UX directions completely anathema to me, whilst the former [being atm still v11, ie, #ESR-forked] is several months overdue on release of its heralded v12 that will be rebased to FF-release version. I keenly await this.
  • so for the time being, i remain happily using ...

 #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi,  #Floorp,  #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

 #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

  • the same positive UX + P&S combo also pertains [for me; i am NOT generalising to other peeps] for vanilla #Firefox, it's just that i like being more on the cutting edge for faster arrival of new goodies & bug fixes.

Fwiw.