BrainiMar 20
Jan Schaumann
Starting to think the real risk is not AI replacing junior staff, but senior staff quitting because they just can’t take this AI bullshit any longer and just opt for early retirement.
Mar 18 at 5:19pmWeb
Show threadVissMar 18
@jschauma nailed it
Show threadPseudo NymMar 19

@Viss @jschauma

This was definitely part of it.

I stepped away from a pretty good senior cybersec position a few months ago. Remains to be seen if this is permanent retirement, a sabbatical, or just some voluntary unemployment.

But I foresee a number of issues around "AI" adoption, both directly and indirectly in #infosec this coming year.

The supply chain stuff, and general quality problems from "good enough" code are going to explode attack surfaces.

Show threadKenton RileyMar 18
@jschauma you get me. Got about 4 years left, depending on how hard the economy tanks & destroys my savings.
Show threadThe WookieMar 18

@clueax @jschauma

Same.

Show threadmtnrbq65Mar 18

@NJWookie @clueax @jschauma

Similar for me, but worried for my kids, just heading into workforce in cybersecurity

Show threadJan Wildeboer 😷Mar 18
@jschauma Yep. AI Brain Drain is real.
Show thread707KatMar 18
@jschauma @prietschka I'm sure you have some insight on this.
Show threadPaul RietschkaMar 18

@707Kat @jschauma Many, many seniors are leaving.

It's not just the lack of capability incoming juniors seem to have, it's the fact management is looking to hang responsibility for slopcode failures around their necks.

In DS I see a growing view that analysis will be automated, but it's my responsibility to ascertain veracity.

Yeah, that's not how this works.

"Automate my expertise away but hold me accountable for failure?"

"No thanks! Byyyyyyeeeeeeee!"

Show threadspinnyspinlockMar 18
@prietschka @707Kat @jschauma my condolences
Show threadZimmieMar 19

@prietschka @707Kat @jschauma Yeah, if I’m going to be an ablative blamesink, I’m going to be paid CISO-level money.

And I mean cash, not stock or options. If a company is using LLMs like that, their stock is junk anyway.

Show thread707KatMar 19
@bob_zim Did you see Jensen Huang from Nvidia now suggesting to pay people “bonuses” in tokens. 🥲
Show threadZimmieMar 19
@707Kat Didn’t see it from Nvidia, but I remember Altman suggesting it a year or two ago. Basically trying to make their own currency.
Show threadNatalieMar 20

@bob_zim @707Kat Ah yes, and I’m sure the grocery stores will let people buy groceries with these “tokens” right? /sarcasm

Tech C-suite execs will do anything to avoid paying people wages, I swear.

Show threadBrianMar 18
@jschauma I’ve considered Costco exit receipt checker a few times instead of complete retirement.
Show threadThe Orange ThemeMar 18
@Drat @jschauma A friend and I both unironically do this when we go to Costco.
Show threadLily StarMar 18
@Drat @jschauma There's a senior citizen that works at a nearby Costco doing that, and he's locally famous for it.
Show threadschrotthaufenMar 18
@jschauma @Viss If I was in my 60s, I’d do exactly that.
Show threadThe Orange ThemeMar 18
@jschauma I'm not nearly old enough to retire yet, but I don't seriously see myself in this industry for much longer.
Show threadDan (he/him) Mar 18
@jschauma @bluewinds If only I could afford to retire.
Show threadArtemysiaMar 18
@jschauma or both, maybe.
I'm stuck, Ai has f'd up both the academia I'm trying to get out of, and the cybersecurity I was hoping to get into. Well it's f'd pretty much everything, really. its 5am here, this is just an insomniac rambling
Show threadNo soy MarioMar 18
@jschauma if I was 15 years older, i'd def. consider it. Interacting with Junior devs that never get to actually grok it, are all cock-sure and lie constantly. It's Dante's special Dev ring...
Show threadsauc3Mar 18

@jschauma

Yeah I am in a similar boat. I don't know how much longer I can take it. I've thought if the bubble doesn't burst in the next year or so, I will be at my whits end and will just leave to farm alpaca or something.

Show threadChefRavenMar 18
@jschauma I had my own productivity consulting business for 15 years. I also did software training for a high level productivity software. I got out of the software training and finally closed my business last May because I am completely disinterested in dealing with the BS.
Show threadNivex 🐧 📻Mar 18
@jschauma @xgranade But the grifters got their money, the future be damned.
Show threadSean HardingMar 18
@jschauma hi.
Show threadAdam CollinsMar 18
@jschauma There's an ugly world where experienced staff are considered "essential workers" and therefore not allowed to not work in order to keep the pipes from bursting
Show threadGraham Sutherland / PolynomialMar 18
@jschauma rising staff turnover at places pushing AI heavily is certainly making me raise an eyebrow
Show threadJérôme PetazzoniMar 18
@gsuberland @jschauma oh do we finally have numbers on that?
Show threadGrumpyDad 🇺🇦🇵🇸Mar 18
@jschauma Am senior. Can confirm
Show threadravelinMar 18
@jschauma why not both!
Show threadSandor Spruit 🇪🇺🇳🇱🇺🇦🇨🇦Mar 18
@jschauma I feel seen 🤨
Show threadkaffeebär 🐻Mar 18
@jschauma too young for early retirement...to old for hyping and using this AI bs 😭 🤮
Show threadLarry GarfieldMar 18

@jschauma Out of work Staff-level. Honestly debating pivoting out of software dev, both because the market is shit and because AI is shit.

Though the corporate overlords would probably want that. They want to have fewer of us anyway.

Show threadohirMar 18

@Crell @jschauma
> Honestly debating pivoting out of software dev, both because the market is shit and because AI is shit.

Realizing that what world really needs is sheep. Many many of them. Grazing to make perfect insulation for 10s of 1000s old huts and houses.

Show threadSi DawsonMar 18
@jschauma Having to deal with/review/clean up the exponentially increased volume of slop churned out by less experienced/careful devs. THAT.
Show threadnivsMar 18
@jschauma @gsuberland 30+ years in tech. This is my wish.
Show threadRRBMar 18
@jschauma 👍 My plan soon.
Show threadGiflianMar 18
@jschauma disenfranchising all workers is the overall purpose, I think
Show threadcrumbletiltskinMar 18
@jschauma this is exactly what i did.
Show threadminus9Mar 18
@jschauma Yep, exactly what I did even though I can barely afford it. My manager said if they could afford it they'd have done the same.
Show threadCodey McCodefaceMar 18
@jschauma “Well, then we’ll just get the older AIs to mentor the newer ones.”
Show threadstony karkMar 18
@jschauma retirement?! I stopped working in tech a couple years ago thanks in part to AI, but I'll never really get to retire.
Show threadalways tiredMar 18
@jschauma I'd wish I could afford quitting for good.
Show threadReally Lazy Bear Mar 18

@jschauma Honestly, more people should just be free to do whatever they want. If you feel like you've served your purpose long enough to make you think about quitting your job and you think it's eating away at your motivation to do anything, you should just do it. Self-respect and all that stuff

"AI" sucks but I mean, what can you do. Can't control whatever the trend the world's going through but you can decide what you wanna do with your life and that's something controllable at least, idk.

Show threadɗ𐐩ʃƕρʋMar 18
@jschauma ¿Por que no los dos?
Show threadminentromaxinfoMar 18
@jschauma If there comes a point at which trouble shooting AI issues becomes my major source of tickets, that's when I retire or change industries.
Show threadThe WookieMar 18

@jschauma

100%. My entire career plan, right now, is get to minimum retirement age/nest egg and get out before AI becomes the dominant business force.

Show threadbondoloMar 18
@jschauma Yes, I may resemble that remark.
Show threadMichael McCune ☮️Mar 18
@jschauma the call is coming from inside the house!
Show thread🇺🇦 Anna FilinaMar 18
@jschauma Burn the candles at both ends, brilliant.
Show threadDan BocainMar 18
Happening right now… the amount of people who have lost their minds already is concerning. @jschauma
Show threadQuincy ⁂Mar 19

@BoomlandJenkins @jschauma

Same. And unfortunately it's not driven solely by upper management anymore. Now there's social pressure from peers as well, who've lost all their critical judgement to the sirens of big slop.

I think of it as a kind of sinister doping, harmful and ultimately destructive, and want no part of it. Looking around for a slop- and slopthink-free job right now. I can no longer endure what has become of this.

Show threadQuincy ⁂Mar 19

@BoomlandJenkins @jschauma

It feels like my carefully honed skills are no longer wanted here in the short term. Only quick & dirty slop, slop, slop and infinite tolerance for nonsense.

Show threadPeter JanesMar 18
@jschauma 🙋🏻
Show threadDavid GerardMar 19
@jschauma i know so many of these
Show threadZalasur 🐸🇺🇦Mar 19
@jschauma I'm not going to lie, it's exhausting how AI has really sucked the oxygen out of the room in general.
Show threadThankful MachineMar 19
@jschauma yes, and, also desirable for firms that are too chickenshit to admit that they want to pay less for worse work
Show threadThomas ReedMar 19
@jschauma @Viss Yup, that’s me exactly. After getting laid off, I quit even trying to find a new job after a couple months because of all the AI nonsense involved. Job requirements to use AI, applications that want to know your experience level with AI, employers screening applications with AI, applicants spamming job listing via AI. It’s all just too much. I want no part of it anymore.