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Jules 🍺Mar 6

@statsguy but that would upset their owners and that cannot be allowed

Per Helge Berrefjord Mar 6

@julesbl @statsguy
Fourth Estate long gone in main media.
Fake news permitted

@frierbyen @julesbl @statsguy

But you think fake toots are ok?

"IRIS Dena was a Moudge-class frigate launched in 2015, and was commissioned into the Iran Navy in 2021. The ship had an armament of surface-to-air and anti-ship missiles, torpedoes, and was equipped with several guns and cannons."

Per Helge Berrefjord Mar 6

@geoffl @julesbl @statsguy
Off topic.

@frierbyen @julesbl @statsguy

No, it's not. It directly addresses the OP's claim. You failed to pick up on their lie. Sad.

@geoffl @frierbyen @julesbl https://www.thestatesman.com/india/execution-at-sea-was-iris-dena-iranian-frigate-sunk-by-us-in-the-indian-ocean-unarmed-1503566523.html

Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 6

‘Execution at sea’: Was IRIS Dena, Iranian frigate sunk by US in the Indian Ocean, unarmed? - The Statesman

The frigate was returning from India after participating in MILAN-2026, a multilateral naval exercise hosted by New Delhi in Visakhapatnam, before it was torpedoed by a US submarine, killing at least 87 sailors. The exercise required the ship to follow "peace protocol".

The Statesman

MidgePhoto Mar 6

@geoffl @frierbyen @julesbl @statsguy
Was returning from an exercise where ships are reported to have been required to be unarmed.

The Lack Thereof

Mar 7

@geoffl
My understanding, cobbled together
- the ship was a fully modern warship
- the ship had just departed some ceremonial boat show for military boat nerds (high five), where it was being exhibited before the conflict
- as part of preparation for that event where civilians could walk around the boat and stuff, it had all ammunition removed and was generally rendered safe to the satisfaction of the organizers.
- it wasn't even crewed by the regular duty crew, just a bunch of pr types and whatnot who signed up for this volunteer boat nerd mission (high five again)

And here's where details get more sketchy and less trustworthy

- when the conflict broke out, they changed course to a nearby friendly port and announced their intention to surrender the ship and crew there
- they were waiting for clearance into said harbor when they were torpedoed

@lackthereof Jesus. this just keeps getting worse.

Jimmothy Baggins Mar 6

@statsguy and the White House won’t flitch about it. Theyve killed dozens of people in small boats not connected to any government or army.

They need to removed

@64bithero Months ago, I would have stopped at "removed". Now, they need to face an international court for the war crimes they've committed.

Martin Schlegel Mar 6

@statsguy I want media to focus more on the "leaving them to drown" and on the illegallity of the war itself. When you are in a war, you can sink enemy warships unarmed or not and you don't even need to ask wether they're armed. It is a ship build to fire at enemies. But even in war you very explicitly can't let the sailors just drown.

derptron Mar 6

@martinschlegel @statsguy Tricking an enemy to disarm itself and go to a mutual location to partake in a peaceful display and then backing out of that display and lying in wait for that thus tricked enemy to slaughter them as they stand defenseless....

That's an act of cowardice, not war. It was terrorism.

Martin Schlegel Mar 6

@crazyeddie @statsguy the whole war is arguably state sponsored terrorism.

clarkiestar Mar 6

@martinschlegel @statsguy agreed. And this isn’t even officially a war, as it hasn’t been approved by congress or the UN. Totally illegal

@clarkiestar Congress did approve it, just today. Congress is currently run by the president's party, who pretty much give him whatever he wants. I don't know if it's because they're evil, stupid, or cowards, but I also don't care any more. These people need to be sent to the Hague at this point.

clarkiestar Mar 7

@wesdym thank you for the update. I didn’t realise that congress had since had a vote on it

brib [has moved again]Mar 6

@statsguy Oh the UK media have swung pretty far to the right.

I have still not forgiven the Beebs for the time they tried to downplay the fascism of actual fascist groups.

Or all the times they call trans women "men who identify as women" 🤮

clarkiestar Mar 6

@sitcom_nemesis @statsguy I still haven’t forgiven them for platforming bannon that one time

brib [has moved again]Mar 6

@clarkiestar @statsguy The fact that you and I had completely different examples in mind when thinking about how the BBC capitulates to fascism tells a lot about the state of the BBC

@sitcom_nemesis The thing they did that annoyed me years ago was a magazine piece on asbestos, in which they dismissed the claims of qualified experts (actual scientists) in favour of -- I am not making this up -- their insurance carrier. Yeah, guys, your insurer is ALWAYS going to exaggerate risks, to reduce their financial exposure. I'd expect a top-flight news organ to work that one out, but they somehow didn't.

Rastal Mar 6

@statsguy By rights, the #uk should make noise about how the US administration, which claims to be "Christian", wholeheartedly believes they are initiating this war to bring about biblical Armageddon.

Is in lockstep with Israel which orchestrated #iran war and genocide in Gaza in order to bring about Greater Israel, coming of their Messiah, aim to build the 3rd temple, usher in End Times.

This is #religiousextremism to the point of insanity by US-Israel.

How many Brits are apocalypticists? 0?

derptron Mar 6

@statsguy The other one is how the media almost universally talks about the school that got bombed like it was next to a naval base.

According to one source I read it was in fact a naval HOSPITAL complex they probably targeted and missed.

We have definitely become the bad guys and of course none of the shit heels here want to admit it.

Taran Rampersad Mar 6

@statsguy As a former Corpsman with the USN...

I am lividly ashamed. That's not the US Navy I knew.

My job was to save lives regardless of uniform.

David Bridger Mar 6

@statsguy The UK media can get in the sea, every one of them, along with all their friends in Westminster.

Walter van Holst Mar 6

@statsguy No need to make the story worse than it is. It was armed. Sinking it in an undeclared war and leaving the survivors without help probably constitutes a war crime anyway, armed or not.

Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 6

@whvholst Yes, leaving the survivors to drown is certainly the worst part. But what makes you say the frigate was armed? The reports I've seen say that it wasn't.

@statsguy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moudge-class_frigate

Walter van Holst Mar 7

Because it was a bloody warship. With missile systems, guns and torpedoes. Unless they removed all that kit before joining a naval exercise with India (which would make zero sense), it was armed.

Moudge-class frigate - Wikipedia

SamuelJohnson Mar 7

@whvholst @statsguy Did you miss the earlier posts saying very clearly that all armaments had been removed?

Walter van Holst Mar 7

@samueljohnson @statsguy No, none of them had sources to back that unlikely claim up. Just the gun on the foredeck would be a pain to remove just for a fleet show.

Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 7

@whvholst @samueljohnson And did you miss the posts that gave the sources as well?

Walter van Holst Mar 8

@statsguy @samueljohnson Seen no such posts. Maybe because federation sometimes works strange, but nowhere in that thread as visible to me were any sources given.

Walter van Holst Mar 8

@statsguy @samueljohnson For clarity, screenshots of purported posts on other social networks do not count as "sources", especially if they only contains claims and no way to verify them other than having to hunt them down on for example the nazi bar.

https://www.thestatesman.com/india/execution-at-sea-was-iris-dena-iranian-frigate-sunk-by-us-in-the-indian-ocean-unarmed-1503566523.html
https://newrepublic.com/post/207429/us-attack-iran-naval-ship
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/iris-dena-was-unarmed-unloaded-during-return-from-india-when-us-attacked-it-iran/ar-AA1XDDRP

Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 8

@whvholst @samueljohnson Yeah, federation can be strange sometimes. Anyway, here are the sources you missed.

‘Execution at sea’: Was IRIS Dena, Iranian frigate sunk by US in the Indian Ocean, unarmed? - The Statesman

The Statesman

Walter van Holst Mar 8

@statsguy @samueljohnson Mind you, none of this bears relevance on the question whether it is a war crime, because it is.

Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 8

@whvholst @samueljohnson True. The question of whether the frigate was unarmed at the time is secondary. The biggie is that they left the sailors to drown without making any attempt to rescue them.

Supermoosie Mar 7

@whvholst @statsguy

Claims they were making arrangements to surrender in port. Were waiting approval.

But that doesn't make go propaganda videos.
https://beige.party/@lackthereof/116185019625499233

The Lack Thereof :v_bi: (@[email protected])

@[email protected] My understanding, cobbled together - the ship was a fully modern warship - the ship had just departed some ceremonial boat show for military boat nerds (high five), where it was being exhibited before the conflict - as part of preparation for that event where civilians could walk around the boat and stuff, it had all ammunition removed and was generally rendered safe to the satisfaction of the organizers. - it wasn't even crewed by the regular duty crew, just a bunch of pr types and whatnot who signed up for this volunteer boat nerd mission (high five again) And here's where details get more sketchy and less trustworthy - when the conflict broke out, they changed course to a nearby friendly port and announced their intention to surrender the ship and crew there - they were waiting for clearance into said harbor when they were torpedoed

beige.party

Walter van Holst Mar 7

@SuperMoosie @statsguy With zero sources to back them up.

https://newrepublic.com/post/207429/us-attack-iran-naval-ship

@statsguy I don't think a single country has expressed enough outrage about 175 deaths at a school in the first wave of American attacks on Iran. Most of the dead were girls aged 7 to 12 years old.

If there's a mass terror attack on the USofA then they've bought it upon themselves.

@statsguy Anyway.

The ship was unarmed per agreement .
And even if armed why did the U.S. leave the sailors to drown?

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/iris-dena-was-unarmed-unloaded-during-return-from-india-when-us-attacked-it-iran/ar-AA1XDDRP

The Most Chilling Detail in the U.S. Attack on an Iranian Naval Ship

The Iranian warship was taking part in an international exercise with many other countries—including the United States.

The New Republic

Mastodon really needs an option to block an entire server, or whatever they're called, apart from accounts you already follow on there.

I want to block serval servers but still follow one or two accounts there. My choice is to put up with bot and trolls or block accounts thatvdmm don't deserve a block and I actually want to follow.

@geoffl Indeed. I was thinking about that while I was out running errands today. If some Middle East rando decides to blow up a store I'm in, there's an obvious and understandable motivation for that. We've already given them license to, by our own callous brutality.

You'd think we might have learned better after 9/11, but I guess we forgot, or we're too full of ourselves.

I feel like I'm living in a nation with an ever-increasing proportion of stupid douchebags. They sure act like it.

HTPC NZ Mar 6

@statsguy Geneva convention? Why would that apply to the west, its de facto leader and its master?. Unless it was someone in the west actively going against the interests of the west.

All these organisations were not created for them, it was to be used by them to continue the neo colonisation project in a way that's more palatable to general public back home giving the illustration it is all above board.

Pete's Mom 🍉 🇺🇦 ☮️Mar 6

@statsguy
These are the same people who are fine with profiting off of a genocide in Gaza - as long as the killing is of brown people our fascist governments are not going to decry any violations of Geneva or any other conventions.
We must get rid of the #Billionaires and their #Politician enablers.

@statsguy
"unarmed"?

Bård H. (lvl 49 🇳🇴)Mar 6

@geoffl @statsguy

If it's the one I'm thinking of, then it was supposed to be part of a multi national exercise

That's why it was unarmed

Yes, it had all the weapons you'd expect on a warship, but nothing to arm them with

Brokar Mar 6

@statsguy Do you really think anyone gives a damn? Where was the outrage when Trump sunk those unarmed "drug" boats? Not even any attempt to stop them without killing them. Just flip the switch and "boom".

And who is holding the USA accountable if they can't even get their internal sh*t together? UN is just watching, like everyone else. But they still all play along. Everybody was upset about tariffs but everyone is paying up.

So, who cares if the USA sink unarmed ships?

@Brokar I care.

@krnlg Ok, let me rephrase that: noone in a position of power to influence the USA cares.

Of course i care, too, because that goes against everything our society is built on. But who cares if i care?

robryk Mar 6

@statsguy Oh, wow, I wasn't aware that no attempt was made to rescue the crew.

Do you know what's the story about the convention you're citing and submarines, given that it was ratified after WWII so after Laconia "incident"? Did everyone pretend it didn't happen?

@robryk The present US regime believes they are above the law and will never have to answer for their crimes. They all but said so at the start of this, gloating about not having to worry about ROE and all that bother -- you know, all the stuff that's supposed to prevent and disourage war crimes.

Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 7

@robryk I'm afraid I don't really know any more about the story behind it that was in the link I post.

But I do know that saving people in peril at sea is a pretty big deal for all sailors

gmoke Mar 6

@statsguy I'm simply thankful that the USAmerican military didn't do a double tap the way they did to at least one small boat in the Caribbean. Being grateful for small favors is a survival mechanism in these dark days.