Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 6

I don't think the UK media have made nearly enough noise about the US Navy sinking an *unarmed* Iranian warship and then, in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, leaving them to drown.

This is a heinous war crime which the media would be rightly up in arms about if any country that wasn't nominally an "ally" had done it.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gcii-1949/article-18/commentary/2017

#IRISDena #IranWar #WarCrimes #GenevaConventions

Show threadWalter van HolstMar 6
@statsguy No need to make the story worse than it is. It was armed. Sinking it in an undeclared war and leaving the survivors without help probably constitutes a war crime anyway, armed or not.
Show threadAdam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 6
@whvholst Yes, leaving the survivors to drown is certainly the worst part. But what makes you say the frigate was armed? The reports I've seen say that it wasn't.
Show threadWalter van HolstMar 7

@statsguy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moudge-class_frigate

Because it was a bloody warship. With missile systems, guns and torpedoes. Unless they removed all that kit before joining a naval exercise with India (which would make zero sense), it was armed.

Moudge-class frigate - Wikipedia

Show threadSamuelJohnsonMar 7
@whvholst @statsguy Did you miss the earlier posts saying very clearly that all armaments had been removed?
Show threadWalter van HolstMar 7
@samueljohnson @statsguy No, none of them had sources to back that unlikely claim up. Just the gun on the foredeck would be a pain to remove just for a fleet show.
Show threadAdam Jacobs 🇺🇦
@whvholst @samueljohnson And did you miss the posts that gave the sources as well?
Mar 7 at 9:06pmWeb
Show threadWalter van HolstMar 8
@statsguy @samueljohnson Seen no such posts. Maybe because federation sometimes works strange, but nowhere in that thread as visible to me were any sources given.
Show threadWalter van HolstMar 8
@statsguy @samueljohnson For clarity, screenshots of purported posts on other social networks do not count as "sources", especially if they only contains claims and no way to verify them other than having to hunt them down on for example the nazi bar.
Show threadAdam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 8

@whvholst @samueljohnson Yeah, federation can be strange sometimes. Anyway, here are the sources you missed.

https://www.thestatesman.com/india/execution-at-sea-was-iris-dena-iranian-frigate-sunk-by-us-in-the-indian-ocean-unarmed-1503566523.html
https://newrepublic.com/post/207429/us-attack-iran-naval-ship
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/iris-dena-was-unarmed-unloaded-during-return-from-india-when-us-attacked-it-iran/ar-AA1XDDRP

‘Execution at sea’: Was IRIS Dena, Iranian frigate sunk by US in the Indian Ocean, unarmed? - The Statesman

The frigate was returning from India after participating in MILAN-2026, a multilateral naval exercise hosted by New Delhi in Visakhapatnam, before it was torpedoed by a US submarine, killing at least 87 sailors. The exercise required the ship to follow "peace protocol".

The Statesman
Show threadWalter van HolstMar 8
@statsguy @samueljohnson Mind you, none of this bears relevance on the question whether it is a war crime, because it is.
Show threadAdam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 8
@whvholst @samueljohnson True. The question of whether the frigate was unarmed at the time is secondary. The biggie is that they left the sailors to drown without making any attempt to rescue them.