Google's emissions are up over 50%, Amazon builds huge data centers powered by 75% natural gas.
Remember all those posts telling us that "AIs climate impact isn't that bad" supported by some really funky math/perspective and/or numbers Sam Altman invented?
Here's the actual impact.
"AI" is a fossil fuel technology.
@tante
…and they are trying to bring back #nuclear with #AI …
While #nuclearenergy is not #fossil it not #green at all - but #colonial , #deadly & totally unfair because, like in AI, the #profits are being privatised, the costs are hitting the whole #society & the #planet
But from the point of view of someone believing in #cybernetics or one of its #TESCREAL grandchildren it is great - because in cybernetics EVERY problem will be solved in "the future" by "technology"
@Katika @tante If there were any hope for our future, it would be nuclear power (today's fission, and conceivably tomorrow's fusion) replacing fossil fuels.
But somehow environmentalists got convinced that nuclear power was the biggest threat to our environment, even though fossil fuels already kill more people in two weeks than nuclear power has ever killed.
https://seas.harvard.edu/news/2021/02/deaths-fossil-fuel-emissions-higher-previously-thought
…and they’re finally synergizing #Nuclear with #AI 🤖⚛️! So much *friction* from the #LudditeCore who keep screeching that it’s “#Colonial” or “#Deadly”??? Newsflash: everything’s colonial until we optimize it!
Nuclear isn’t just #GreenEnergy — it’s #NeoGreen™! 🌍💡 Those “waste” isotopes? Literally future blockchain fuel! 💀→💰 And yes, obviously profits get privatized — that’s called #IncentiveAlignment! 🚀 Society “bearing costs”? Try #CollectiveROI!
Ugh, the legacy mindsets complaining about “#PlanetRisk”… as if our #AIOverlords (bless their algos 🙏) won’t retroactively solve radiogenic decay by 2035! #TrustTheTechRoadmap!
#TESCREALbros get it: #Cybernetics guarantees all problems are just pre-scaled tech opportunities! ☢️ = future desalination juice! 🌊⚛️ Poverty? Fixed with SMRs! 💸 War? Deleted by fusion! ☮️ #TheFutureIsASolvedEquation!
Stay vibing in the solution space, haters stay in problem-space! 🛢️☢️💀 → ⚛️🤖🌈
When the Saudis are throwing $100 billion at products no one wants... AI, cryptocurrency, state surveillance
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/05/13/trump-tech-execs-riyadh/
https://thebulletin.org/2025/06/trumps-ai-gamble-in-the-gulf-doesnt-put-america-first/
Tech oligarchs got that flood of investment by promising that fossil fuels would never be phased out, no matter the urgency.
https://www.desmog.com/2025/04/22/ai-energy-demand-can-keep-fossil-fuels-alive-tech-backers-promise-worlds-two-biggest-oil-producers/
@tante and we still need to remind ourselves:
non-fossile fuels are only carbon-neutral, after emitted carbon-dioxide is again bound in wood or other plants.
Good news for the European Union and it's future with AI
"With its decarbonized, abundant electricity supply, expanding high-voltage electric grid and more than 30 ready-to-use, low-carbon AI sites throughout the country, France is poised to become one of the world’s greenest leaders in artificial intelligence."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2025/02/28/when-medical-ai-starts-getting-better-than-human-doctors/
@hadon @tante It’s becoming chronic because of climate change: long periods of heat, drought, winters without enough snow in the mountains, etc.
This ist now, 3 days ago: independent.co.uk/news/world/e… and bloomberg.com/news/articles/20… etc.
Climate collapse doesn’t happen with a single BOOM. It happens by more and more „smaller“ catastrophes within increasingly shorter intervals.
Power cuts during a 40°C heat wave are one of those catastrophes.
@jaddy @tante
"Power plants draw in cold water, use it to cool nuclear reactors and spent fuel storage pools, and then release it hotter.
However, this hot water discharge is subject to strict temperature limits to protect flora and fauna – an unusual rise in water temperature, even by a few degrees, is highly detrimental to aquatic biodiversity."
https://www.bfmtv.com/economie/entreprises/energie/le-rhone-trop-chaud-pour-les-centrales-nucleaires-edf-alerte-sur-de-possibles-baisses-de-production-des-mercredi-prochain_AD-202506190560.html
@hadon @tante Protecting the biodiversity is great. But the result is the same: The major power source will have to reduce output and probably cut of electricity for somehow less important consumer - in midst of a heat wave.
Or they’d trash the limits - and the fauna and flora -, because putting more heat into the ecosystem in the midst of an environmentally stressful heat wave would cause even more damage.
But there’s also a technical limit. The cooling system has a minimum necessary temperature difference, determined by the amount of heat it must convey, the capacity of the pipes and pumps and the amount of water available. The hotter the intake water, the more water is needed for the same amount of heat. Roughly: Cooling is a relation of amount of water : temperature difference : time.
If the rivers are too warm and_or there’s not enough water and_or the pipes and pumps are not big enough, the system can’t get rid of enough heat and the plant has to reduce output.
So, the risk (and days) of power outages will rise with increasing temperatures; see climate stripes. And many rivers will have increasingly less water because of less snow in the mountains in winter. Human made climate change at work.
Now, what will you do? Trash the temperature limits and „bouillabaisse“ the rivers? Build larger cooling systems? Get a lot more cooling water from -ah- where-ever?
Or invest in the cheapest source of electric power generation like the rest of the world, which is above all neutral to earths heat system, produces no extremely dangerous waste (which nobody knows where to store safely for a million years), etc?
Now, should we begin talking about the age of the NPPs in France? About the immense costs of nuclear power that could never compete to market prices, always needed hidden state funding and price guaranties (i.e. tax payers money…), and is now way off compared to PV and wind power?
Read the World Nuclear Industry Status Report, worldnuclearreport.org/World-N… The chart on page 371. Or if you don’t believe them, read the same conclusions at Lazard, an international investment bank. As of now, nuclear is an economical and environmental disaster. The single reason to do it from the beginning till now despite all rational reasoning was access to nuclear weapons.
OTOH, solar plus storage is now cheaper, climate neutral, produces much less waste (which is handable) and is decentralized, therefore providing more stable power supply during increasing numbers of natural disasters (heavy rain, etc). Plus: It’s way faster to install per GW than nuclear.
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@jaddy @tante
The loss of electricity is negligible, it doesn't represent even 1% of annual production, in average it represents just 0.3% of annual production, at a time where it's less needed too.
"According to the group, since 2000, losses in nuclear production due to environmental causes (high temperature and low river flow) have represented on average 0.3% of the annual production of the nuclear fleet."
https://www.bfmtv.com/economie/entreprises/energie/le-rhone-trop-chaud-pour-les-centrales-nucleaires-edf-alerte-sur-de-possibles-baisses-de-production-des-mercredi-prochain_AD-202506190560.html
The AI energy consumption isn't that bad.
Read the numbers yourself. The actual numbers vs baselines, not the percentage word salad.
These numbers are all percentages of percentages with goalposts moving back and forth all the time. It's fakery and number juggling that impresses folks who have difficulties balancing their budget, much less global emissions values.
Whoa! 11 Million tons of CO2... That's huge!
It's about 0.2% of global carbon emissions.
Terrible!
Also, it's google, half of those racks do your work for you when you "write" your googlitcles.
DATA CENTRES CONSUME POWER !
Call the wahOHMbulance!
50% of datacenters are your Facebook's, iclouds and your precious self hosted shit.
Where do you think Fediverse lives?
In wooden cabin basements?
Powered by gerbils treadmills and fairies?
Just about the only legitimate critique of AI energy excesses is its agregious use of water.
And even there there is a room for dramatization as water use vs water consumption.
Quick, what's the difference without googling?
Anything else is dishonest scaremongering by journalist terrified they will be replaced by 2000 lines of code and a terabyte of a multidimensional vector tree.
50% percent of journalistic integrity was reduced by 75% growth in their fawning subservience to the oligarchs who own the media and are now backpedling for any sort of relevancy at projected 200% of estimates of loss of consequent public trust.
/eyeroll
@tante even if they claim to be running purely off of renewables, we should treat them as though they're running off of coal.
Because we're only building so much renewables per year, and had the AI bullshit not consumed that capacity, that capacity could have displaced capacity from worse sources. Without AI, we'd still install the same amount of renewables capacity.
We definately should change the name of 'natural gas' since it's misleading.
LNG is tons more poluting then normal gas.
quotetoot: Jun 25, 2025, 10:21 AM
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(p.s., Mastodon: end the anal BS around #quotetoots, enough!)
@tante "#AI" is such a level of "#WastefulComputing" that it makes #CryptocurrencyMining look like an act of #EnergyConservation and #EnvoirmentalProtection by comparison.
Not that it doesn't make #Shitcoin-#Mining any less unethical and wrong!
@kkarhan I can expand on this further.
- AI is wasteful compared to Crypto
- Crypto is wasteful compared to search engines
- Search engines are wasteful compared to wikis
Its a pattern now.
Its as if we should not just write down questions and get them answered and instead think for ourselves. In the past we looked up stuff in a phone book, in a dictionary, etc.
I wont go into the critical thinking capability of western people but suffice it to say its not looking good.
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