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If anybody is wondering if you can enable Recall on a machine remotely without Copilot+ hardware support - yep.

I’ve also found a way to disable the tray icon.

I went and looked at YouTube for Recall to get out of the echo chamber and I can only find one positive video. Even the people at the event are slating it, including people with media provided Copilot+ PCs.

There’s some content creators who’ve realised it records their credit cards, so they’re making videos of their cards going walkies.

It’s going to be interesting to see how Microsoft get out of this one. They may have contractual commitments to ship Recall with external parties.

I thought they were risking crashing the Copilot brand with this one, but I was wrong looking at the videos and comments on them - I think they’re crashing the Windows consumer brand.

The reaction to photographic memory of what people do at home has - you’ll be surprised to know - not been seen as a reason to buy a device, but a reason why not to.

Windows Central, about the only outlet giving Recall positive coverage and having articles tweeted by Microsoft staff - have updated their take after being hands on with a device. https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-should-recall-windows-recall-security-researcher-finds-microsofts-new-ai-tool-woefully-insecure
"Microsoft should recall Windows Recall" — Security researcher discovers Microsoft's new AI tool is woefully insecure

The security story around Windows Recall hits a brick wall as it's discovered the data it collects is unencrypted.

Windows Central

Microsoft has been declining to comment on criticism of Recall for a week - but they have apparently told a journalist off the record at Future that changes will be made before Copilot+ devices drop in the coming days.

This may include an attempt to invalidate researcher criticism, we’ll see.

WIRED has a piece about Total Recall, a now released tool which dumps keypresses, text and screenshots (they’re JPEGs) from Microsoft Recall

https://www.wired.com/story/total-recall-windows-recall-ai/

Total Recall software by @xaitax https://github.com/xaitax/TotalRecall

Example search for ‘password’:

🪟 Captured Windows: 133
📸 Images Taken: 36
🔍 Search results for 'password': 22

📄 Summary of the extraction is available in the file:
C:\Users\alex\Downloads\TotalRecall\2024-06-04-13-49_Recall_Extraction\TotalRecall.txt

This Hacker Tool Extracts All the Data Collected by Windows’ New Recall AI

Windows Recall takes a screenshot every five seconds. Cybersecurity researchers say the system is simple to abuse—and one ethical hacker has already built a tool to show how easy it really is.

WIRED

I hadn’t been aware until today of the external reaction to Recall. Holy shit. Tim Apple must be pleased.

Everything from media coverage to YouTube to TikTok is largely negative. All the comments are negative.

These videos have tens of millions of views and hundreds of thousands of comments.

I knew it would be bad but.. it’s worse. I’ve spent hours looking at the sentiment and.. well, they probably would have got better coverage from launching an NFT of pregnant Clippy.

A key element of Recall is Microsoft say only you can access your Recall, it is per user.

ArsTechnica enabled Recall on Windows 11 box and tested the claim. By logging in as another user they could access the database and screenshots.

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/06/windows-recall-demands-an-extraordinary-level-of-trust-that-microsoft-hasnt-earned/

Windows Recall demands an extraordinary level of trust that Microsoft hasn’t earned

Op-ed: The risks to Recall are way too high for security to be secondary.

Ars Technica

If you want to know how Microsoft have got themselves into this giant mess with Recall, here’s what the documentation says between the lines:

you, the customer, are a simpleton who doesn’t want to be an AI genius yet. Have a caveman mode.

Recall and Copilot+ is also coming to ASUS systems, including AMD, in a deal with Microsoft.

ASUS Announces Complete Portfolio of AI-Powered Copilot+ PCs https://www.asus.com/us/news/pnm9tg6qccql6ern/

Nvidia announced they are bringing Copilot+ and Recall to PCs, in a deal with Microsoft: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/2/24169568/microsoft-copilot-plus-gaming-pc-nvidia-amd

ASUS Announces Complete Portfolio of AI-Powered Copilot+ PCs at Computex 2024

Fremont, Calif., June 3, 2024 - ASUS today ushered in a new era of Copilot+ PCs — featuring advanced AI capability with 45+ TOPS NPU AI engines — during its Always Incredible

ASUS

Three Copilot+ Recall questions that keep coming up.

Q. Can you alter the Recall history?

A. Yes. You can change the OCR database and change the screenshots as the logged in user or as software running as the local user. There is no audit log of changes.

Q. Are they snapshots, as Microsoft says, or screenshots?

A. They are just screenshots, jpegs.

Q. What is to stop apps on your machine accessing your Recall covertly?
A. Nothing. There is no audit log of access.

.@awakecoding becomes the latest person reverse engineering Microsoft Recall https://x.com/awakecoding/status/1798168395583746216
Marc-André Moreau (@awakecoding) on X

@MalwareJake Recall is a melting pot of everything wrong with modern Windows: Per-user app and settings MSIX app setting virtualization Intune MDM per-user policies WinRT generated proxy code Enabled by default, opt-out If you hate it, it's in there, I tell you

X (formerly Twitter)

If anybody is wondering what Microsoft's reaction to any of the Copilot+ Recall concerns are, they're continuing to decline comment to every media outlet.

I've seen comments MS staff have been given for enterprise customers, which are nonsense handwaving.

Product ships live on devices from Dell, Lenovo etc this month. https://x.com/zacbowden/status/1798221879741931847

Zac Bowden (@zacbowden) on X

Microsoft has gone radio silent on Windows Recall.

X (formerly Twitter)
As @tiraniddo rightly points out, anybody can programmatically reach the Recall database without admin rights. https://infosec.exchange/@tiraniddo/112566044174482506
James Forshaw :donor: (@tiraniddo@infosec.exchange)

Damn, I really thought the Recall database security would at least be, you know, secure. Turns out Microsoft did pretty much what I blogged about for WindowsApps, except you need to find a specific WIN://SYSAPPID instead. So to bypass the security just get the token for the AIXHost.exe process, then impersonate that and you can access the database, no admin required. Or, as the files are owned by the user, just grant yourself access using icacls etc :D

Infosec Exchange
TotalRecall has been updated to exfiltrate Recall database and screenshots without needing admin rights: https://github.com/xaitax/TotalRecall
GitHub - xaitax/TotalRecall: This tool extracts and displays data from the Recall feature in Windows 11, providing an easy way to access information about your PC's activity snapshots.

This tool extracts and displays data from the Recall feature in Windows 11, providing an easy way to access information about your PC's activity snapshots. - xaitax/TotalRecall

GitHub

You can now remotely dump Recall data and screenshots over the internet from Linux etc. Changes in flight for parsing data too.

https://github.com/Pennyw0rth/NetExec/pull/335

Add Recall module for dumping all users Microsoft Recall DBs & screenshots by Marshall-Hallenbeck · Pull Request #335 · Pennyw0rth/NetExec

Gets all users Recall folders and dumps them, then renames screenshots to include .jpg (unnecessary but helpful). I cherry-picked the download_folder functionality from #320 and then improved it du...

GitHub
YouTubers are continuing to have fun with Recall

Turns out speaking out works.

Microsoft are making significant changes to Recall, including making it specifically opt in, requiring Windows Hello face scanning to activate and use it, and actually encrypting the database.

There are obviously going to be devils in the details - potentially big ones.

Microsoft needs to commit to not trying to sneak users to enable it in the future, and it needs turning off by default in Group Policy and Intune for enterprise orgs.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/7/24173499/microsoft-windows-recall-response-security-concerns

Windows won’t take screenshots of everything you do after all — unless you opt in

Microsoft is making its controversial AI-powered Recall feature optional. The changes come after security experts warned the feature could be a disaster for cybersecurity.

The Verge

Obviously, I recommend you do not enable Recall, and you tell your family not to enable it too.

It’s still labelled Preview, and I’ll believe it is encrypted when I see it.

There are obviously serious governance and security failures at Microsoft around how this played out that need to be investigated, and suggests they are not serious about AI safety.

Microsoft President Brad Smith is going to be grilled by US gov next week. https://therecord.media/microsoft-reverses-course-recall-opt-in
Microsoft reverses course, makes Recall feature opt-in only after security backlash

Recall allows the company’s new line of Windows 11 Copilot+ devices to screenshot every action a person takes on their PC.

I should be transparent btw that I took Satya and Charlie’s commitment to security at face value too - I even published a blog on it backing that up - and I have concerns (it isn’t just me).

They’re now going to have to win trust back about winning trust back.

I know somebody at a retailer in Europe that is selling Copilot+ PCs. They’ve had fewer than a thousand preorders through to customers.

In relative terms, for them it’s about as successful as Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League.

A reminder that a few weeks ago at RSA, Microsoft signed CISA's Secure By Design pledge... and then shipped an enabled by design keylogger that OCRs your screen constantly into AppData.

Edit: I should say that's less a reflection on Microsoft and more a reflection on CISA's Secure By Design pledge.. it's a good idea, but the scope is extremely limited.

I think MS are a way off extracting themselves from Recall situation they've got themselves into.

This is just one YouTube comments section on a video since the not-enabled-by-default change - 500k views - but there's loads more, similar on TikTok.

I imagine it's going to continue through week and into next week when the laptops ship.

I have heard rumblings MS are discussing trying to take action against me over the whole thing, which a) good luck and b) would be pouring petrol on the flames.

Some backstory - it's being reported Microsoft developed Recall in secret to try to avoid scrutiny. https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-has-lost-trust-with-its-users-windows-recall-is-the-last-straw

I'm hearing that various MSFT people are furious about how this played out over the past few weeks, which IMHO represents a serious lack of introspection.

A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

The world is up-in-arms over Windows Recall, but why? It stems from Microsoft's seeming lack of care for Windows and its users.

Windows Central

Microsoft have paused the rollout of Windows 11 24H2 in preview channel, it was the version containing Recall. Microsoft have not explained why.

https://x.com/brandonleblanc/status/1799478915582542199

I don't know if it was publicly known but it was possible to use Recall on more hardware via Mach2, before this was pulled.

Brandon LeBlanc (@brandonleblanc) on X

@techosarusrex @TarasBuria @NorthFaceHiker @windowsinsider I don’t have anything more to share beyond what’s in the blog post and that we are working to get it rolling out again shortly.

X (formerly Twitter)

To put this one into perspective, there's one broadcast TV network looking at Recall still, and an investigative journalist.

Plus I imagine @evacide, @wdormann etc would have something to say if MS tried holding anybody but themselves accountable for their own actions.

Cyber Threat Intelligence 2024 is going well

I have an image where when viewed on a Copilot+ Recall PC, a Windows process crashes as it tries to process the screenshot.

New email signature?

If anybody is wondering, with a Copilot+ PC, you can still programmatically access the Recall database as of today with a few commands. Launch is a few days away.

Microsoft’s President Brad Smith appears before US House Committee on Homeland Security tomorrow.

His testimony: https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/2024-06-13-HRG-Testimony-Smith.pdf

In this bit he talks about Recall (not named), where he pats himself and Microsoft on the back for “a feature change” and job well done.

Given it has been a complete cybersecurity and privacy car crash - and as of today the changes (plural) they’re referring to haven’t even been implemented - it seems like Microsoft fails to grasp customer needs: safety.

One other thing - Microsoft's written testimony to the US House says, quoting, bolded by MS:

"Before I say anything else, I think it’s especially important for me to say that Microsoft accepts responsibility for each and every one of the issues cited in the CSRB’s report. Without equivocation or hesitation. And without any sense of defensiveness."

Counterpoint: they publicly disputed the report in the media. https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/25/24139914/microsoft-cyber-security-incidents-trust-report

Microsoft needs to win back trust

Microsoft has faced a series of security issues in recent years. Now, the company is trying to win back trust and focus on security as a top priority.

The Verge

I should say that if Brad is asked about Recall tomorrow, the answers may raise some.. uh... eyebrows here.

I don't know what MS SLT have been told, but expect fun when the feature drops on consumer laptops in a few days.

As I mentioned in my blog, there is some more security hardening there on Copilot+ PCs (this was before MS put out their blog)... but it's still easily bypassable.

Nessus, a vulnerability scanning tool, detects Recall as an informational

Microsoft’s Recall puts the Biden administration’s cyber credibility on the line

https://cyberscoop.com/microsoft-recall-secure-by-design/

Interesting article. All through this, CISA and the DHS have declined to comment.

Microsoft’s Recall puts the Biden administration’s cyber credibility on the line

Why has the White House remained silent on the launch of a product that violates the spirit and letter of its flagship cybersecurity initiatives?

CyberScoop

The Verge reports today that "Windows engineers are scrambling to get additional changes tested and ready for the release of Copilot+ PCs next week."

It also says "Recall was developed in secret at Microsoft, and it wasn’t even tested publicly with Windows Insiders."

I've also been told Microsoft security and privacy staff weren't provided Recall, as the feature wasn't made available broadly internally either.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/13/24177703/microsoft-xbox-game-showcase-windows-recall

Xbox delivered and Windows scrambles to secure Recall

Microsoft had one of its best Xbox showcases ever. There were new game reveals, a handheld tease afterward, and more.

The Verge
Microsoft President Brad Smith just testified to the US House that Recall is a good example of Secure By Design, and that they have the time to get it right (it’s supposed to launch in 3 working days).

Brad Smith just said Recall was designed to be disabled by default. That is not true. Microsoft’s own documentation said it would be enabled by default - they only backtracked after outcry.

He has somehow got almost every detail about Recall wrong while testifying.

@GossiTheDog

Clearly it appears that Brad has memory fault 😟🤷‍♂️

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If anybody is wondering if you can enable Recall on a machine remotely without Copilot+ hardware support - yep.

I’ve also found a way to disable the tray icon.

I went and looked at YouTube for Recall to get out of the echo chamber and I can only find one positive video. Even the people at the event are slating it, including people with media provided Copilot+ PCs.

There’s some content creators who’ve realised it records their credit cards, so they’re making videos of their cards going walkies.

It’s going to be interesting to see how Microsoft get out of this one. They may have contractual commitments to ship Recall with external parties.

I thought they were risking crashing the Copilot brand with this one, but I was wrong looking at the videos and comments on them - I think they’re crashing the Windows consumer brand.

The reaction to photographic memory of what people do at home has - you’ll be surprised to know - not been seen as a reason to buy a device, but a reason why not to.

Windows Central, about the only outlet giving Recall positive coverage and having articles tweeted by Microsoft staff - have updated their take after being hands on with a device. https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-should-recall-windows-recall-security-researcher-finds-microsofts-new-ai-tool-woefully-insecure
"Microsoft should recall Windows Recall" — Security researcher discovers Microsoft's new AI tool is woefully insecure

The security story around Windows Recall hits a brick wall as it's discovered the data it collects is unencrypted.

Windows Central

Microsoft has been declining to comment on criticism of Recall for a week - but they have apparently told a journalist off the record at Future that changes will be made before Copilot+ devices drop in the coming days.

This may include an attempt to invalidate researcher criticism, we’ll see.

WIRED has a piece about Total Recall, a now released tool which dumps keypresses, text and screenshots (they’re JPEGs) from Microsoft Recall

https://www.wired.com/story/total-recall-windows-recall-ai/

Total Recall software by @xaitax https://github.com/xaitax/TotalRecall

Example search for ‘password’:

🪟 Captured Windows: 133
📸 Images Taken: 36
🔍 Search results for 'password': 22

📄 Summary of the extraction is available in the file:
C:\Users\alex\Downloads\TotalRecall\2024-06-04-13-49_Recall_Extraction\TotalRecall.txt

This Hacker Tool Extracts All the Data Collected by Windows’ New Recall AI

Windows Recall takes a screenshot every five seconds. Cybersecurity researchers say the system is simple to abuse—and one ethical hacker has already built a tool to show how easy it really is.

WIRED

I hadn’t been aware until today of the external reaction to Recall. Holy shit. Tim Apple must be pleased.

Everything from media coverage to YouTube to TikTok is largely negative. All the comments are negative.

These videos have tens of millions of views and hundreds of thousands of comments.

I knew it would be bad but.. it’s worse. I’ve spent hours looking at the sentiment and.. well, they probably would have got better coverage from launching an NFT of pregnant Clippy.

@GossiTheDog I'm surprised this hadn't happened sooner, it was just crying out to be done.
@GossiTheDog giant security vulnerability for corporations and personal safety fail vs stalkers - Recall really is a product for everyone
@GossiTheDog Right, and if you go to this article, there's a link on the sidebar to an article about a sex machine. Which is either really good or really bad, depending.
@GossiTheDog I'm just wondering when someone will release a tool that allows you to change or insert fake events into the database...
@GossiTheDog the option not to will be at the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard"...

@GossiTheDog

I would be lovely if they would allow non-Microsoft Local Accounts and not mandate an Internet connection during installation also 🤨

@simonzerafa @GossiTheDog Agreed — or at least let you choose/change the local user name for your MSA-based account so you don’t have to jump through so many hoops to accomplish the same. Making life harder on expert users who are going to do this anyway is one of the many paper cuts that causes one to consider an alternate OS.
@GossiTheDog i'm willing to bet it'll be super vague about what recall actually is, which will probably cause most people to enable it because it's checked by default or in fear that it'll break something if not enabled
@mjdxp @GossiTheDog it might be too late for that, it seems like the dam has burst regarding negative articles an responses from companies and authorities (EU et al)
@GossiTheDog because telling Microsoft that you want something off/disabled/uninstalled has been so reliable in the past...

@GossiTheDog "will have the option to choose not to"

so opt-out

this is so embarrassing lol
@GossiTheDog I thought this was a stretch to call malware designed to scrape Windows Recall data “quite unlikely” but I asked Bing and it agreed, so I’m reassured

@GossiTheDog

This whole feature is beinf used to market AI co-processors and so force hardware upgrades.

Let's hope that sinking the Windows brand further is worth it.

@GossiTheDog It sucks because the prospect of good ARM laptops that aren’t made by Apple is finally here, but this puts them in jeopardy if sales tank due to Recall.
@forgifuzzbutt @GossiTheDog My main complaint about the arm tablets is that Qualcomm seems to be refusing to release Vulkan drivers for them. The windows graphics team had to build a Vulkan to directx conversion layer to do the job instead. Really caused some weird headaches for a team I was working with back around the start of 2024 when it silently got installed on a bunch of PCs. (Edit: note, this complaint appears to be resolved a month or so ago.)
@forgifuzzbutt @GossiTheDog (arm tablets/laptops running windows, that is)

@ashteranic @forgifuzzbutt @GossiTheDog vulkan drivers are there for Snapdragon X.

Fun fact: you can just extract them from the Snapdragon X drivers and they just work on earlier generations after that

@never_released @forgifuzzbutt @GossiTheDog Well, there's a combination of issues. Even if there is Vulkan support, the question is which version of Vulkan, and whether all the extensions are implemented properly.

(And note, the association between the two (the vulkan shim and qualcomm not releasing native drivers) is an assumption on my part, but there's no other current gpu/soc platform I can think of that *didn't* have a working implementation at the time I looked)

@ashteranic @forgifuzzbutt @GossiTheDog the driver package from X Elite on a 8cx Gen 3 system: https://vulkan.gpuinfo.org/displayreport.php?id=30457

Lightly patched for Vulkan 1.3 (not needed on X Elite): https://vulkan.gpuinfo.org/displayreport.php?id=29746

Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) 8cx Gen 3 - Vulkan Hardware Database by Sascha Willems

@never_released @forgifuzzbutt @GossiTheDog Ah, yeah, that didn't seem to exist back in January when I was looking around.

Wonder why Microsoft went to the trouble of making a vulkan -> dx compatability layer then. The platforms they kept silently installing it on (like the RoG Ally,) had a vulkan implementation that worked fine.

@GossiTheDog I spent months making WSL2 my home for dev after largely moving away from macOS for dev purposes. Kept an Ubuntu install around for certain tasks.

I swapped out Ubuntu for Mint and it’s now my default boot option.

Microsoft won me back from Apple and is now pushing me to Linux. Wild times.

@GossiTheDog it's too late at this point. MS _will_ ship Recall, but what happens afterwards will be fun to see.
@GossiTheDog I also started to think about switch from Windows to Linux after this presentation. Probably not that effect which Microsoft wants))
@GossiTheDog I feel that Windows has been on shaky ground with many for a while. Honestly, the fact that anyone in Microsoft even thought up Recall is horrendously concerning. That it ever got built is terrifying. But right now I'm not convinced that at some point every OS/WM isn't going to end up with dumb shit like this
@GossiTheDog
I mostly hear about issues for company laptops and data that could be stolen by 'Hackers' (both valid arguments) but has anybody considered that this is like your browserhistory 2.0 and what it means to let other people (family and friends) use your computer?
@dexternemrod @GossiTheDog I've read plenty of discussion about how bad this is going to be in any domestic abuse scenario (or in the depressingly overlapping "law enforcement gets their hands on your hardware" case)
@GossiTheDog it’s crazy, they have done a good job on consumer security uplift for the last few years. But this just puts them back so far.
I never seriously considered switching to Linux for my daily driver, but now I probably will. But I don’t see me switching my parents to Linux or my gaming PC. So I’ll still be having to manage this regardless.
I just hope that they aren’t going to re-enable this after every feature update as they try to do with a bunch of other things.
@PeterDodemont tbh if your hardware is well supported on linux (and it's quite impressive what has happened in the last few years) linux with steam and proton is very much a viable gaming platform. i was very surprised how seamless this integration is. (the games i had problems with, usually older ones, have been problematic with windows too.) @GossiTheDog
@mawhrin @GossiTheDog the gaming PC is really only for vr. And beat saber being the main game. I believe the game works on Linux, but the mods would be the biggest question. Although most work on quest, so who knows.

@GossiTheDog

part of me suspects there is some government/agency pressure behind the whole idea, because who really benefits from this

then again I wonder if I am just being overly paranoid, and remind myself of Hanlon's razor

@GossiTheDog I know at least one person (and not just in in the little bubble here) that this was actually the last drop and he wiped his windows partition and is now Mac and Debian only.

@maswan a couple here as well. Not nearly enough to make any sort of a difference but my expectation is it's going to be as much of a non-event as Cambridge Analytica was for FB.

Interestingly this is absolutely illegal under workplace surveillance legislation here. If only one system slips through the usual GPO bullshit and has this enabled and someone notices it's going to be court time. And we know how well these "systems" work. If it's on by default it will get through.
@GossiTheDog

@fedops Well, Microsoft is already exempt from GDPR according to our org lawyers wrt handling PII because MS exchange is more important - so I expect they' exempt it from workplace surveillance laws as well. At least until proven otherwise in a hard-fought court case. @GossiTheDog
@maswan I'm ready to bring this on. I have insurance! 😈
@GossiTheDog
@GossiTheDog
Who had the positive video?
@GossiTheDog this-is-fine levels increasing
@GossiTheDog With or without authentication?
@GossiTheDog Windows user since 3.0, DOS since the first IBM PC. And this is the final straw. I'm now shopping for Linux distros to move to.
@lazarukb @GossiTheDog Can I suggest Linux Mint? It's a good starting distro, which is pretty user friendly and has all the basics in place,till you get used to the new ecosystem and command line tools.
It has an updater which alerts you if there's any new updates for the system, and a software manager where you can find programs to download.
It's still a learning curve,but it's reasonably solid to start with, without having system breaking changes at the cutting edge.
https://www.linuxmint.com/

@lazarukb @GossiTheDog

Test out Devuan. :D

https://www.devuan.org/

It's focused on the user remaining in control of the machine that they own. :D

Welcome to devuan.org | Devuan GNU+Linux Free Operating System

Free GNU+Linux base OS. Devuan is a fork of Debian without systemd. Devuan provides a safe upgrade path from Debian, to ensure the right to Init Freedom and avoid entanglement.

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@GossiTheDog who needs to build malware when the OS ships with it ready and waiting for you to use.