For those who aren’t aware, Microsoft have decided to bake essentially an infostealer into base Windows OS and enable by default.

From the Microsoft FAQ: “Note that Recall does not perform content moderation. It will not hide information such as passwords or financial account numbers."

Info is stored locally - but rather than something like Redline stealing your local browser password vault, now they can just steal the last 3 months of everything you’ve typed and viewed in one database.

I've written up my thoughts on the Copilot Recall feature in Microsoft Copilot+ PCs

I think it will enable fraud and endanger users, and is not the sign of a company who are committed to security first.

https://doublepulsar.com/how-the-new-microsoft-recall-feature-fundamentally-undermines-windows-security-aa072829f218

How the new Microsoft Recall feature fundamentally undermines Windows security

Yesterday, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella sat down with the media to introduce a new feature called Recall, as part of their Copilot+ PCs. It takes screenshots of what you’re doing on constantly, by…

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The UK’s ICO have opened an investigation into Copilot+ Recall. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwwqp6nx14o
Microsoft Copilot+ Recall feature 'privacy nightmare'

The ICO wants to know the safeguards around Recall, which can take screengrabs of your screen every few seconds.

BBC News

Copilot+ Recall has been enabled by default globally in Microsoft Intune managed users, for businesses.

You need to enable DisableAIDataAnalysis to switch it off. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/client-management/manage-recall

Manage Recall for Windows clients

Learn how to manage Recall for commercial environments and about Recall features.

Here’s Copilot+ Recall search in action, showing instant text based search finding a WhatsApp chat and a PDF from 6 months ago being viewed on screen.

Two quick updates -

A) if you disallow recording of a website in Control Panel or GPO, in Chrome it is still recorded - disallow recording only works in Edge browser

B) Firefox and Tor Browser is recorded always, including in private mode - the exception is Hollywood DRM’d videos

I got ahold of the Copilot+ software.

Recall uses a bunch of services themed CAP - Core AI Platform. Enabled by default.

It spits constant screenshots (the product brands then “snapshots”, but they’re hooked screenshots) into the current user’s AppData as part of image storage.

The NPU processes them and extracts text, into a database file.

The database is SQLite, and you can access it as the user including programmatically. It 100% does not need physical access and can be stolen.

And if you didn’t believe me.. found this on TikTok.

There’s an MSFT employee in the background saying “I don’t know if the team is going to be very happy…”

They should probably be transparent about it, rather than telling BBC News you’d need to be physically at the PC to hack it (not true). Just a thought.

I ponder if Microsoft's engineers are following the SQLite code of ethics, since they're using it in Windows OS with Copilot+ Recall? :D https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html
Code Of Ethics

So the code underpinning Copilot+ Recall includes a whole bunch of Azure AI backend code, which has ended up in the Windows OS. It also has a ton of API hooks for user activity monitoring.

Apps themselves can also search and make themselves more searchable.

It opens a lot of attack surface.

The semantic search element is fun.

They really went all in with this and it will have profound negative implications for the safety of people who use Microsoft Windows.

If you want to know where tech companies are with AI safety, know Microsoft Recall won’t record screenshots of DRM’d movies..

..but will record screenshots of your financial records and WhatsApp messages, as corporate interests were prioritised over user safety.

And it’s enabled by default.

I’ve managed to get Recall working in full on a non-Copilot+ system, without an NPU. Will accelerate testing.

Copilot+ Recall feature pop quiz:

You deal with a sensitive matter on my Windows PC. E.g. an email you delete. Does Copilot Recall still store the deleted email?

Answer: yes. There's no feature to delete screenshots of things you delete while using your PC. You would have to remember to go and purge screenshots that Recall makes every few seconds.

If you or a friend use disappearing messages in WhatsApp, Signal etc, it is recorded regardless.

It comes up a lot as people are rightly confused, but if you wonder what problem Microsoft are trying to solve with Recall:

It isn't them being evil, it's business leaders who are middle aged and can't remember what they're doing driving decision making about which problems to solve.

A huge amount of business leaders are dudes who have no idea what the fuck is happening. This leads to the Recall feature.

Microsoft exists in and is driven by that bubble.

I asked Microsoft Copilot to write a song about Copilot+ Recall.
Managed to find out how BBC News printed in a headline story that it was not possible to steal Recall data without being physically at the device (which is false) - this is from the journalist:

Some screenshots of Recall's SQLite database here: https://mastodon.social/@detective/112513529733646088

Just to clarify, I can access it without SYSTEM too. Microsoft are about to set cybersecurity back a decade by empowering cyber criminals via poor AI safety. Feature ships in a few weeks.

The latest Risky Business episode on Recall is good, but one small correction - it doesn’t need SYSTEM rights.

Here’s a video of two MSFT employees gaining access to the Recall database folder - with SQLite database right there. Watch their hacking skills. (You don’t need to go this length as an attacker, either). Cc @riskybusiness

I’m not being hyperbolic when I say this is the dumbest cybersecurity move in a decade. Good luck to my parents safely using their PC.

Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible with two lines of code — inside the Copilot+ Recall disaster.

My look at the feature, FAQs from the community etc

https://doublepulsar.com/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e

Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible with two lines of code — inside the Copilot+ Recall disaster.

I wrote a piece recently about Copilot+ Recall, a new Microsoft Windows 11 feature which — in the words of Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella- takes “screenshots” of your PC constantly, and makes it into an…

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this is the out of box experience for Windows 11's new Recall feature on Copilot+ PCs. It's enabled by default during setup and you can't disable it directly here. There is an option to tick "open Settings after setup completes so I can manage my Recall preferences" instead.

HT @tomwarren

You allow BYOD so people can pick up webmail and such. It’s okay, because when they leave you revoke their access, and your MDM removes all business data from the machine ✅

What the employee does: opens Recall, searches their email, files etc and pastes the data elsewhere.

Nothing is removed from Recall, as it is a photographic memory of everything the former employee did.

Just in time for Copilot+ Recall!

Security and privacy researchers - You can now install Copilot+ Recall on any ARM hardware (doesn’t need an NPU) or in Azure VMs.

Guide from @detective

The devices launch THIS MONTH to customers so I suggest people look at this.

https://github.com/thebookisclosed/AmperageKit

GitHub - thebookisclosed/AmperageKit: One stop shop for enabling Recall in Windows 11 version 24H2 on unsupported devices

One stop shop for enabling Recall in Windows 11 version 24H2 on unsupported devices - thebookisclosed/AmperageKit

GitHub
Nvidia just announced that Copilot+ and Recall are coming to AMD systems. https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/2/24169568/microsoft-copilot-plus-gaming-pc-nvidia-amd
Nvidia and AMD are bringing Microsoft’s Copilot Plus AI features to gaming laptops

Asus and MSI are launching AMD- and Nvidia-powered gaming laptops that include Microsoft’s Copilot Plus AI features.

The Verge
Somebody made a tool called Total Recall to dump Recall database and screenshots. https://x.com/xaitax/status/1797349055917416457?s=46
Alex (@xaitax) on X

Will release TotalRecall in a few days. Loads to play with and to work on. Thank you @GossiTheDog for the inspiration! #WindowsRecall #CyberSecurity #Microsoft #TotalRecall

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Recent DHS published report handed to the US President which said it had "identified a series of Microsoft operational and strategic decisions that collectively pointed to a corporate culture that deprioritized enterprise security investments and rigorous risk management"

Microsoft: let’s use AI to screenshot everything users do every 5 seconds, OCR the screenshots, make it searchable and store it in AppData!

Searching Recall database for passwords with @awakecoding
🫡

If anybody is wondering if you can enable Recall on a machine remotely without Copilot+ hardware support - yep.

I’ve also found a way to disable the tray icon.

I went and looked at YouTube for Recall to get out of the echo chamber and I can only find one positive video. Even the people at the event are slating it, including people with media provided Copilot+ PCs.

There’s some content creators who’ve realised it records their credit cards, so they’re making videos of their cards going walkies.

It’s going to be interesting to see how Microsoft get out of this one. They may have contractual commitments to ship Recall with external parties.

I thought they were risking crashing the Copilot brand with this one, but I was wrong looking at the videos and comments on them - I think they’re crashing the Windows consumer brand.

The reaction to photographic memory of what people do at home has - you’ll be surprised to know - not been seen as a reason to buy a device, but a reason why not to.

Windows Central, about the only outlet giving Recall positive coverage and having articles tweeted by Microsoft staff - have updated their take after being hands on with a device. https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-should-recall-windows-recall-security-researcher-finds-microsofts-new-ai-tool-woefully-insecure
"Microsoft should recall Windows Recall" — Security researcher discovers Microsoft's new AI tool is woefully insecure

The security story around Windows Recall hits a brick wall as it's discovered the data it collects is unencrypted.

Windows Central

Microsoft has been declining to comment on criticism of Recall for a week - but they have apparently told a journalist off the record at Future that changes will be made before Copilot+ devices drop in the coming days.

This may include an attempt to invalidate researcher criticism, we’ll see.

WIRED has a piece about Total Recall, a now released tool which dumps keypresses, text and screenshots (they’re JPEGs) from Microsoft Recall

https://www.wired.com/story/total-recall-windows-recall-ai/

Total Recall software by @xaitax https://github.com/xaitax/TotalRecall

Example search for ‘password’:

🪟 Captured Windows: 133
📸 Images Taken: 36
🔍 Search results for 'password': 22

📄 Summary of the extraction is available in the file:
C:\Users\alex\Downloads\TotalRecall\2024-06-04-13-49_Recall_Extraction\TotalRecall.txt

This Hacker Tool Extracts All the Data Collected by Windows’ New Recall AI

Windows Recall takes a screenshot every five seconds. Cybersecurity researchers say the system is simple to abuse—and one ethical hacker has already built a tool to show how easy it really is.

WIRED

I hadn’t been aware until today of the external reaction to Recall. Holy shit. Tim Apple must be pleased.

Everything from media coverage to YouTube to TikTok is largely negative. All the comments are negative.

These videos have tens of millions of views and hundreds of thousands of comments.

I knew it would be bad but.. it’s worse. I’ve spent hours looking at the sentiment and.. well, they probably would have got better coverage from launching an NFT of pregnant Clippy.

A key element of Recall is Microsoft say only you can access your Recall, it is per user.

ArsTechnica enabled Recall on Windows 11 box and tested the claim. By logging in as another user they could access the database and screenshots.

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/06/windows-recall-demands-an-extraordinary-level-of-trust-that-microsoft-hasnt-earned/

Windows Recall demands an extraordinary level of trust that Microsoft hasn’t earned

Op-ed: The risks to Recall are way too high for security to be secondary.

Ars Technica

If you want to know how Microsoft have got themselves into this giant mess with Recall, here’s what the documentation says between the lines:

you, the customer, are a simpleton who doesn’t want to be an AI genius yet. Have a caveman mode.

Recall and Copilot+ is also coming to ASUS systems, including AMD, in a deal with Microsoft.

ASUS Announces Complete Portfolio of AI-Powered Copilot+ PCs https://www.asus.com/us/news/pnm9tg6qccql6ern/

Nvidia announced they are bringing Copilot+ and Recall to PCs, in a deal with Microsoft: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/2/24169568/microsoft-copilot-plus-gaming-pc-nvidia-amd

ASUS Announces Complete Portfolio of AI-Powered Copilot+ PCs at Computex 2024

Fremont, Calif., June 3, 2024 - ASUS today ushered in a new era of Copilot+ PCs — featuring advanced AI capability with 45+ TOPS NPU AI engines — during its Always Incredible

ASUS

Three Copilot+ Recall questions that keep coming up.

Q. Can you alter the Recall history?

A. Yes. You can change the OCR database and change the screenshots as the logged in user or as software running as the local user. There is no audit log of changes.

Q. Are they snapshots, as Microsoft says, or screenshots?

A. They are just screenshots, jpegs.

Q. What is to stop apps on your machine accessing your Recall covertly?
A. Nothing. There is no audit log of access.

.@awakecoding becomes the latest person reverse engineering Microsoft Recall https://x.com/awakecoding/status/1798168395583746216
Marc-André Moreau (@awakecoding) on X

@MalwareJake Recall is a melting pot of everything wrong with modern Windows: Per-user app and settings MSIX app setting virtualization Intune MDM per-user policies WinRT generated proxy code Enabled by default, opt-out If you hate it, it's in there, I tell you

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If anybody is wondering what Microsoft's reaction to any of the Copilot+ Recall concerns are, they're continuing to decline comment to every media outlet.

I've seen comments MS staff have been given for enterprise customers, which are nonsense handwaving.

Product ships live on devices from Dell, Lenovo etc this month. https://x.com/zacbowden/status/1798221879741931847

Zac Bowden (@zacbowden) on X

Microsoft has gone radio silent on Windows Recall.

X (formerly Twitter)
As @tiraniddo rightly points out, anybody can programmatically reach the Recall database without admin rights. https://infosec.exchange/@tiraniddo/112566044174482506
James Forshaw :donor: (@tiraniddo@infosec.exchange)

Damn, I really thought the Recall database security would at least be, you know, secure. Turns out Microsoft did pretty much what I blogged about for WindowsApps, except you need to find a specific WIN://SYSAPPID instead. So to bypass the security just get the token for the AIXHost.exe process, then impersonate that and you can access the database, no admin required. Or, as the files are owned by the user, just grant yourself access using icacls etc :D

Infosec Exchange
TotalRecall has been updated to exfiltrate Recall database and screenshots without needing admin rights: https://github.com/xaitax/TotalRecall
GitHub - xaitax/TotalRecall: This tool extracts and displays data from the Recall feature in Windows 11, providing an easy way to access information about your PC's activity snapshots.

This tool extracts and displays data from the Recall feature in Windows 11, providing an easy way to access information about your PC's activity snapshots. - xaitax/TotalRecall

GitHub

You can now remotely dump Recall data and screenshots over the internet from Linux etc. Changes in flight for parsing data too.

https://github.com/Pennyw0rth/NetExec/pull/335

Add Recall module for dumping all users Microsoft Recall DBs & screenshots by Marshall-Hallenbeck · Pull Request #335 · Pennyw0rth/NetExec

Gets all users Recall folders and dumps them, then renames screenshots to include .jpg (unnecessary but helpful). I cherry-picked the download_folder functionality from #320 and then improved it du...

GitHub
YouTubers are continuing to have fun with Recall

Turns out speaking out works.

Microsoft are making significant changes to Recall, including making it specifically opt in, requiring Windows Hello face scanning to activate and use it, and actually encrypting the database.

There are obviously going to be devils in the details - potentially big ones.

Microsoft needs to commit to not trying to sneak users to enable it in the future, and it needs turning off by default in Group Policy and Intune for enterprise orgs.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/7/24173499/microsoft-windows-recall-response-security-concerns

Windows won’t take screenshots of everything you do after all — unless you opt in

Microsoft is making its controversial AI-powered Recall feature optional. The changes come after security experts warned the feature could be a disaster for cybersecurity.

The Verge

@GossiTheDog
I love how people like this just *crumble* with fluffy words when it comes to security.

"This sounds like spyware, how can I make sure nobody accesses it?"
"The neat thing about that is, it's your data"
"Yes I know it's my data. But how can I make sure nobody accesses it?"
[This section was cut per request]

@GossiTheDog Either someone lied to him, or he’s lying to us.
@GossiTheDog The arrogance of this man is astonishing

@GossiTheDog

"All your secret are belong to us!"

@GossiTheDog

Well, your supervisor at work will appreciate the possibility to easily look into what you did all day.

@tiraniddo

@mina @GossiTheDog @tiraniddo

Since I can rewrite the database myself with this, it means that I can tell my supervisor exactly what she wants to hear.

@GossiTheDog this alone is a reason to #RefuseToBuy and #RefuseToUse said #Govware - #OS that is #Windows11 and boycott any product and company that does so or forcibly tags it onto products!

@GossiTheDog

Cyber people definitely need to keep discussing #Recall and keep the pressure on, until Microsoft backtracks and removes it completely

@ForiamCJ @GossiTheDog not only that but we've to basically push regulators like @bsi into literally banning that #Govware & #Spyware completely!

#MicrosoftRecall #WindowsRecall #Recall #Windows11 #Windows

@GossiTheDog Microsoft is preparing to shirk all responsibility for the inevitable shitstorm Recall will cause for #privacy and #security.

@GossiTheDog I do hope they understand that this strategy does not work with governments. You know, organizations that, believe it or not, really do have more money and more attorneys than Microsoft.

I'm wondering if this is going to be an every-generation thing where MS has to get slapped down HARD by people with the sole monopoly on legitimate use of force, only to slowly forget the lesson over the next two decades.

Or they could spend a tiny amount on due dilligence, but that's boring.

@GossiTheDog

There was a post earlier from someone who was handed a CoPilot Laptop by their institution.

CoPilot / Recall was disabled but any attempts to interact with it reset the GPO setting that disabled it.

@GossiTheDog the fact they're standing behind it so adamantly shows that there's some major value that they're extracting from Recall. I can't think of an answer aside from collecting the data.
@masters @GossiTheDog or. They really believe their own crap.

@GossiTheDog I don't understand what you keep complaining about.

Guy clearly says "this is my computer, this is my Recall".

If you want to have *your* computer and *your* recall, you'll have to build it yourself. Leave the guy alone.

@GossiTheDog did you catch Steve Gobson’s take on recall, after your wonderful breakdown, on this week’s episode of Security Now episode 977?

Apple link https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/security-now-audio/id79016499?i=1000657874927

Grc’s website 16 kb downloadable page (not there yet though 🤷)

https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

‎Security Now (Audio): A Large Language Model in Every Pot - Problems With Recall, End of ICQ, Email @ GRC on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Security Now (Audio), Ep A Large Language Model in Every Pot - Problems With Recall, End of ICQ, Email @ GRC - Jun 4, 2024

Apple Podcasts
@rmcv42 Well, what did he say?

@counteractor

Just that Kevin laid it# out very well and summary titles hinted, in his opinion, at possibly LLM for personal AIs

@GossiTheDog That last one is truly wild.

@GossiTheDog

That last one was just... hmmmm... *chef kiss*

@GossiTheDog I wonder what’s their reward from this feature? Data for their AI?
@pravee_n @GossiTheDog Definitely. Even if the screenshots and the raw data lives only on the user's computer, it can still be mined for all kinds of metadata and the results sent back to the mothership.
@cratermoon @GossiTheDog That’s what I thought. AI can be trained locally on this data and then update to the cloud on something. They are ruining whatever trust left on them.

@pravee_n @cratermoon @GossiTheDog the product wouldn't be a complete solution without some mechanism of accessing the federated learners.

It's disheartening that Microsoft believes they don't have to treat users as mature, and discuss this effort transparently.

@pravee_n @cratermoon @GossiTheDog in contrast, a mature federated learning system has auditable telemetry, it has a tangible roadmap wherein the sensitive elements are previewed and surveyed with customers before released.

Customers opt in as a partnership. They feel comfortable about what they are sharing and when, and the impact it has on the end product. To the degree that they get excess value out of the product.

if these concepts seem familiar, it's because this is more or less biological mutualism.

the model microsoft is relying on now, by contrast, is parasitism.

@bees @pravee_n @cratermoon @GossiTheDog
🤷 MS has been a parasite for quite a long time.
@cratermoon @pravee_n @GossiTheDog
And considering that Windows is non-stop in communications with the Mothership. 🤷

@GossiTheDog

Well, I think I see how they *could* use that as an excuse for saying, …

“Look, there's nothing stopping you from making/using 3rd party tools to eliminate any of the data you do not want in there. *So it's not our problem!*”

🙄

.

(But if sensitive data is in there for even a short time, it's a risk!)

@GossiTheDog it just keeps getting worse…
@hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog does this mean I can inject false info and false screenshots to make people see messages I want them to see in recall?
@JaxxAI @hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog Those people could include, say, the police. For example, if you wanted to accuse someone of viewing CSAM online…
@michaelgemar @hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog that example didn't initially cross my mind, I was thinking of injection of misleading info, adverts, junk, anything that could be used to persuade the user to hand over cash etc. It sounds like Recall is definitely open to abuse. But the example you just gave is a massive problem that could potentially lead to false imprisonment and/or a life ruined due to the accusations alone. What a mess!!!
@JaxxAI @hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog you mean like a gaslighting API?
@moopet @hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog I think you just invented a new term. "But yes, if it's in copilot then it must be true as it recorded you doing it" said the barrister.
@hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog Race to the bottom and the first to reach it starts digging…
@Kensan @hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog it's ok: they plan to dig *up*
@ferrix @hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog Is that like “failing up” but for companies?
@hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog We found no evidence for illegal access.

@hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog How?!?! Does something like this get all the way into a shipping version of a major OS like Windows without someone in the room saying "this is going to blow up in our faces"

Was there not a single security architect on the team for this? Nobody that looked at the 'local only' security and said "yeah that's bs" before they just let it loose in the wild? What was the threat model they thought they were going up against? I just... 🤯

@GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes Q: Can I, as the user, just run a job every few hours to completely eradicate said screenshots?
@gangrif @GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes All you have to do is turn the feature off and the screenshots will be deleted.
@bontchev @GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes well that's good. i didn't know it was that simple
@bontchev @gangrif @GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes Apparently someone outside can turn it back on so...
@Jestbill @gangrif @GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes Yes, if they have remote access as the user. But that's not really relevant here - I was pointing out that you can easily delete all the accumulated data by turning the feature off - no need for a special program.
@bontchev So just turn it off once a day?
Security is hard.
@gangrif @GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes Its Microsoft, has anyone tried to simply write protect the folder? ;)

@GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes A long time ago, I saw a movie called "The Net", where multiple people's lives were ruined (including what was effectively an assassination) by surreptitious modification of digital records.

I think it's time to reboot The Net.