Bob FreemanFeb 2, 2024
JA Westenberg

Modern work:

you get a message in Slack with a link to the Confluence doc to prep for the meeting on Zoom, where you take notes in Notion, and track project progress on Monday and then update the Trello and you get to the end of the week and instead of doing fucking anything you've just moved bits of information around in 17 different databases and each one costs $15 a month per user...

Feb 1, 2024 at 10:39pmMammoth
Show threadAaron MoodieFeb 1, 2024
@Daojoan Alternatively, you keep all your eggs in one basket, and then that basket has a data breach, goes offline, or begins mining all your personal information for financial gain.
Show threadAsh_CrowFeb 2, 2024
@aaronmoodie @Daojoan currently, all those 15$/user services are already mining personal information for financial gain.
Show threadNicola RomanòFeb 2, 2024
@Ash_Crow @aaronmoodie @Daojoan and had/will likely have data breaches as well!
Show threadPassengerFeb 3, 2024

@nicolaromano @Ash_Crow @aaronmoodie @Daojoan

"Everyone has been hacked, they just haven't announced it yet."

Show threaddcuthellFeb 1, 2024
@Daojoan Alternatively, your corporate overlords have embraced M365, so you migrate data between a series of half-baked products and are then requested to extract said data into Excel/PowerPoint/Email because middle and upper management still haven't figured out how to log into any of the other Microsoft applications.
Show threadHollieKFeb 2, 2024
@dcuthell @Daojoan Not to mention moving data between various spreadsheets and emailing it to everyone, before you import data from Excel/PowerPoint/Email back into the half-baked products. And don't talk to me about Microsoft Planner.
Show threadEyesOnNatureFeb 3, 2024
@dcuthell @Daojoan wait wait wait how do you know all this about the company I work for? 🧐
Show threadvirkonFeb 3, 2024
@dcuthell @Daojoan lol that is so true
Show threadvirkonFeb 3, 2024
@dcuthell @Daojoan or even better. Send the info via email and get it back as a scanned print-out with handwriten comments
Show threadGeorges-Antoine AssiFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan you really need https://fellow.app/
Fellow.app | The Most Integrated AI Meeting Notes & Summaries

Fellow is the only all-in-one AI meeting management software. Have fewer, more effective meetings with the most integrated AI Meeting Assistant.

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Show threadchrisFeb 2, 2024
@georges @Daojoan number 18?
Show threadgrepeFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan I've got an idea! Let's make a completely new tool that will replace all of those before. I bet nobody thought of that before... you will be able to drag a virtual notes and type comments - it's gonna be awesome!
Show threadAvocado ToastFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan My favorite lately is AHA vs JIRA. Like I know other apps have overlap, but this is basically the same functionality entirely...why are we using both?
Show threadNicole ParsonsFeb 2, 2024

@Daojoan

But think of how much benefit the AI replacing jobs will gain!

The data mining opportunities for anti-democracy billionaires are endless.

https://www.wired.com/story/companies-rushing-use-ai-few-see-payoff/

#sarcasm

Companies Are Rushing to Use AI—but Few See a Payoff

A study finds that only 11 percent of firms that have deployed artificial intelligence are reaping a “sizable” return on their investments.

WIRED
Show threadMaho 🦝🍻Feb 2, 2024
@Daojoan Well, in my case I get a message in Teams with a link to a OneDrive doc to prep for the meeting on Teams, where I take notes in Loop, and track project progress on Azure DevOps, but at the end each service is just a SharePoint disguised backend included in M365.
Show threadCharonPDXFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan Google Keep, not Notion, but yes. But I’m sure if I show this to my boss, we’ll have a Notion subscription next week.
Show threadRatboy (reformed dino pirate)Feb 2, 2024
@Daojoan I wonder if there is a better way
Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@jaykass here's one that works quite nicely: https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/111860585207907459 @Daojoan
Dave Lane 🇳🇿 (@[email protected])

@[email protected] yuck, that sounds gross. We've got Matrix -> Forgejo (or Gitlab), with notes in QOwnNotes, projects in WeKan or NextCloud deck, with meetings in BigBlueButton or Jitsi (via Matrix)... All of it is 100% #Libre/#FOSS, we host it all ourselves, and it all costs us nothing except a bit of my time. Plus we control all the data. I think there might be an opportunity here. Single sign-on is via Authentik. See https://tech.oeru.org/updating-oer-foundation-web-services-february-2023 for a full list of the services we use (+ howtos)...

Mastodon - NZOSS
Show threadRatboy (reformed dino pirate)Feb 2, 2024
@lightweight @Daojoan This misses the point. It's not just the expense but also the movement of information from one place to another.
Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@jaykass I'm pretty sure that the data's always going to have to move around. The question is: who controls the silos? @Daojoan
Show threadThe DoctorFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan Ow. Right in the day job.
Show threadAlan DayleyFeb 2, 2024

@Daojoan The paperless office used to be something people talked about, aspired to create. We could have had it in the 1990’s.

But no. We have this <waves hands at your toot.>

Show threadInsurgo FormicaFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan and yet they still f'n insist you RTO
Show threadKen Butler has movedFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan modern work part 2: spend six hours coding up something to forward all of these to your email and allowing you to update them by replying to the email notificaton.
Show threadMoriFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan Don’t forget to journal about it while on the toilet or somewhere you can catch your breath for a couple minutes. 🤣
Show threadMarshall EubanksFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan That's why I say "pick 1"
Show threadNiceMicroFeb 2, 2024

@Daojoan My employer just reduced the e-mail capacity to 1 GB per user, so suddenly no one could send or receive e-mails for the time people realized there is a problem and figured out how to delete the sufficient amount of e-mails.

#Tech #BigTech #Work

Show threadsnottFeb 2, 2024
Well... crap 🫤
Show threadAllan ChowFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan "man that's rough. Someone should do something about it" - all the director level people and up
Show threadJoanna HolmanFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan @skinnylatte
Show threadOriginal SunshineFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan nightmare
Show threadMichael SimonsFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan so true.
Show threadPB Livin'Feb 2, 2024
@Daojoan and yet somehow it's worse when one of those tries to add a bunch of new features, like so slack can replace confluence. But it never seems as good.
Show threadCharles Choi 최 민수Feb 2, 2024
@Daojoan TBH, the excessive context switching required by contemporary tools is largely why I use Emacs now to orchestrate them.
Show threadAndy Warburton ❌❌❌Feb 2, 2024
@Daojoan my life is similar only constantly moving data between google docs, sheets and slides because different stakeholders require information in different formats.
Show threadSimon DückertFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan In Zeiten der Einführung von Wikis in Organisationen gab es das Email- vs Wiki-Mem. Die Grafik braucht ein Update 😂
Show threadIαη 🍺Feb 2, 2024

@Daojoan
The digital information world has been hijacked by business greed. Resulting in poor UX.
Each app has a new UI to learn and it's own text editor and information structure. Just how many text editor interfaces do you use? There are different editors in email, chat, office, social media, notes, forums, spreadsheet, bug trackers, browsers etc. It could be like smartphones, where all apps share 1 keyboard.

Open standards could change all this.

Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@ianp5a yup. That's true even more broadly - I wrote this to help make the case: https://openstandards.nz
@Daojoan
The case for Open Standards | Open Standards NZ

Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@ianp5a at least with #libre/#FOSS apps (unlike proprietary), there's no incentive *not* to use open standards, and, for the most part, they do. Like here in the #Fediverse. Everything proprietary is on a one-way trajectory towards #enshittification. @Daojoan
Show threadIαη 🍺Feb 2, 2024
@lightweight @Daojoan
I don't think there are open standards for most information.
So people resort to proprietary standards like Microsoft, or plain text, that needs clever guessing to retrieve information, or even discard the information entirely.
Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@ianp5a indeed. Govt's should be commissioning their creation (via multi-org/biz groups) after they limit all gov't procurement to software which adheres to 'relevant' open standards. @Daojoan
Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@ianp5a we have to convince governments that #BigTech corporations are the enemy of democracy. I think we're seeing the EU slowly realising how entirely their tech procurement has compromised their sovereignty. Combined with gov'ts recognising #libre software as critical digital infrastructure & funding it, we just might start changing the direction. @Daojoan
Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@ianp5a I'm hoping more people in the EU watch this: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=duaYLW7LQvg or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duaYLW7LQvg@[email protected]
Show threadIαη 🍺Feb 2, 2024
@lightweight @Daojoan
Nice. For transport ticketing the open source KDE Itinery app attempts to identify all the types of tickets. https://kde.org/for/travelers/
It took lot of development work to sift through incompatibilities, for what should be a mandatory open standard.
KDE for Travelers

Travel the World Using KDE Applications

Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@ianp5a indeed, it should be! Yes, ticketing for nearly everything is a no-brainer for open standards... @Daojoan
Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@ianp5a (fwiw, I'm a long time KDE user) @Daojoan
Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@Daojoan yuck, that sounds gross. We've got Matrix -> Forgejo (or Gitlab), with notes in QOwnNotes, projects in WeKan or NextCloud deck, with meetings in BigBlueButton or Jitsi (via Matrix)... All of it is 100% #Libre/#FOSS, we host it all ourselves, & the software costs us nothing except a bit of my time & hosting. We control all the data. I think there might be an opportunity here. Single sign-on is via Authentik. See https://tech.oeru.org/updating-oer-foundation-web-services-february-2023 for a full list of the services we use (+ howtos)...
Updating OER Foundation Web Services for February 2023 | OERu Technology Blog

It's been about six months since my last update and, wow, a lot has changed. The OER Foundation (OERF) has embarked on a new initiative inspired by our old friend the Fediverse and the ramifications to on our sustainability thanks to our newer nemesis, Covid19: the Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) Digital Learning Ecosystem (DLE).

Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@Daojoan (for the record, my organisation has 2 staff, so we're doing all this for 2 fulltime people + an international community learners & collaborators can have access, all pro bono. Our commodity cloud hosting is ~ $5k/year - about 1/20th of what we paid to AWS & Azure previously, for better service, from Hetzner. And yes, we also host our own email, via Mailcow).
Show threadstvoFeb 2, 2024

@lightweight @Daojoan thanks for the article. Maybe i should write one myself.
We have a partly similar setup. Nearly fully FOSS, only linux workstations and servers, but for nearly 175 direct users and up to 25.000 "customers" (well, they are students and we are the student union ^^).
We manage even hardware and networking ourselves and fill up a fully sized rack inside the university data center.

Out IT-Staff is 1,5 people and around 25% of our time is fixing personal it-problems 🙄

Show threadJack Yan (甄爵恩)Feb 2, 2024
@lightweight @Daojoan AWS is awful, isnʼt it? Got moved there in the early 2010s by a friend who specializes in IT and it was basically IT prison. Couldnʼt do a damned thing without him since it was so poorly designed. Price doubled over a decade. Eventually we moved to Hetzner (literally took years to find people who could do it), and like you, saved 80 per cent, and now we can do stuff again, like set up PHP and MySql ourselves. Lots of OSS as a result.
Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@jackyan for our use cases, it resulted in a 95% reduction in cost with equivalent capabiliies (and a vastly better interface). MS Azure is even worse that AWS. @Daojoan
Show threadJack Yan (甄爵恩)Feb 2, 2024
@lightweight @Daojoan Just fed the numbers in the calculator, and it was 86 per cent. Hetznerʼs interface is vastly superior. Tech should be democratizing, or at least I expected it to be, and AWS does the exact opposite. It should be considered offensive to anyone who believes in the promise of technology. Sounds like Azure is even worse.
Our email is through Zoho, which does the job for lay people like us. It will never be on Google et al.
Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@jackyan Amazon took a leaf from the MS playbook: offer free rote training on your proprietary tools to legions of mediocre tech people & they'll be your sales/marketers for life because they won't make a living otherwise. @Daojoan
Show threadJack Yan (甄爵恩)Feb 3, 2024

@lightweight It represents everything wrong with a lot of industries: arm a group of average individuals with a ton of jargon and processes, and lock out the lay people. Law is similar.

@Daojoan

Show threadrailmeatFeb 2, 2024

@lightweight @Daojoan

The list of FOSS services is interesting. I would imagine that takes a lot of administrative effort. How stable is it?

Show threadDave Lane  🇳🇿Feb 2, 2024
@railmeat remarkably little admin, really. I do a lot of dev in addition to keeping these all running. Single handedly. It's pretty darn stable (I've also set up quite a lot of monitoring). @Daojoan
Show threadStahlbrandtFeb 3, 2024
@railmeat @lightweight @Daojoan You can do quite a lot within NextCloud by itself, including stuff where you earlier required Jitsi. Admin effort of NextCloud is really low.
Show threadKlaus BulleFeb 2, 2024

@Daojoan That's why @nfdi4culture's internal #communication and #collaboration is based on:

➕ @RocketChat
➕ @nextcloud
➕ @ONLYOFFICE
➕ @openproject

😎 #opensource #FOSS

However, we also use #Zoom ...

Show threadBill WoodcockFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan

Or, you know, you could _not_ do that. Just, you know, use email and maybe MediaWiki for a shared documentation space. XMPP, or Jitsi if you've given up on fighting the good fight.
Show threadJohn A RookeFeb 2, 2024
@Daojoan #BullshitJobs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs
Bullshit Jobs - Wikipedia