@Daojoan yuck, that sounds gross. We've got Matrix -> Forgejo (or Gitlab), with notes in QOwnNotes, projects in WeKan or NextCloud deck, with meetings in BigBlueButton or Jitsi (via Matrix)... All of it is 100% #Libre/#FOSS, we host it all ourselves, & the software costs us nothing except a bit of my time & hosting. We control all the data. I think there might be an opportunity here. Single sign-on is via Authentik. See https://tech.oeru.org/updating-oer-foundation-web-services-february-2023 for a full list of the services we use (+ howtos)...

@Daojoan (for the record, my organisation has 2 staff, so we're doing all this for 2 fulltime people + an international community learners & collaborators can have access, all pro bono. Our commodity cloud hosting is ~ $5k/year - about 1/20th of what we paid to AWS & Azure previously, for better service, from Hetzner. And yes, we also host our own email, via Mailcow).

@lightweight @Daojoan AWS is awful, isnʼt it? Got moved there in the early 2010s by a friend who specializes in IT and it was basically IT prison. Couldnʼt do a damned thing without him since it was so poorly designed. Price doubled over a decade. Eventually we moved to Hetzner (literally took years to find people who could do it), and like you, saved 80 per cent, and now we can do stuff again, like set up PHP and MySql ourselves. Lots of OSS as a result.

@jackyan for our use cases, it resulted in a 95% reduction in cost with equivalent capabiliies (and a vastly better interface). MS Azure is even worse that AWS. @Daojoan

@lightweight @Daojoan Just fed the numbers in the calculator, and it was 86 per cent. Hetznerʼs interface is vastly superior. Tech should be democratizing, or at least I expected it to be, and AWS does the exact opposite. It should be considered offensive to anyone who believes in the promise of technology. Sounds like Azure is even worse.
Our email is through Zoho, which does the job for lay people like us. It will never be on Google et al.

@jackyan Amazon took a leaf from the MS playbook: offer free rote training on your proprietary tools to legions of mediocre tech people & they'll be your sales/marketers for life because they won't make a living otherwise. @Daojoan