Andy ChanJun 19, 2023
Christian Selig
I wanted to take a minute to debunk Reddit's claims, and talk about their unwillingness to work with developers, moderators, and the larger community, as well as say thank you for all the support 💙 https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/
📣 I want to debunk Reddit's claims, and talk about their unwillingness to work with developers, moderators, and the larger community, as well as say thank you for all the support

I wanted to address Reddit's continued, provably false statements, as well as answer some questions from the community, and also just say...

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Jun 19, 2023 at 5:26pmIvory for Mac
Show threadyuletideJun 19, 2023

@christianselig Libreddit mirror: https://libreddit.domain.glass/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/

Edit: Also should we make a bot to do this automatically now? A la @nitterbot

Show thread𝐿𝒾𝓃𝒹𝒶Jun 19, 2023

@yuletide @christianselig @nitterbot @[email protected] @[email protected] @melgu @Zak8022
@niphette

Everyone needs to get off Reddit, Twitter and Discord and move to open source Fediverse BETTER alternatives.

I present XMPP. A Free, secure and federated Discord alternative. XMPP is to Discord as what Mastodon is to Twitter.

Please join the Channel/Room called:

[email protected]

https://joinjabber.org/

JoinJabber

Welcome to the JoinJabber community! An inclusive space on the Jabber network With Jabber you can securely chat or call with your friends and family. Or you can join public group chats with people that share your interests, without having to share your personal data. Jabber, also known as XMPP, is an open standard for online communication. This means that the network belongs to all of us, not just to a single organization.

JoinJabber
Show threadChris DeStefanoJun 19, 2023

@LindaLockhea @yuletide @christianselig @nitterbot @AudraTran @melgu @Zak8022 @niphette love and support you! XMPP is great. Still widely supported by jmp.chat etc.

But federated matrix is the future. You'll only get tech savy people to switch to xmpp

Show thread𝐿𝒾𝓃𝒹𝒶Jun 19, 2023

@ChrisDeStefano @yuletide @christianselig @nitterbot @[email protected] @melgu @Zak8022 @niphette

XMPP is just as easy and more mature. Matrix just has better marketing because it is more centralized, like discord, as in business/profit focused.

Show threadChris DeStefanoJun 19, 2023

@LindaLockhea @yuletide @christianselig @nitterbot @AudraTran @melgu @Zak8022 @niphette I guess to your point, without much research, its very easy to understand the idea and pick a homesever. But seems to be a totally different situation the other way.

I host an instance of both and can say, matrix really is the only one people use. Mainly due to the present of apps on all platforms that cater towards the current generation

Show thread𝐿𝒾𝓃𝒹𝒶Jun 19, 2023

@ChrisDeStefano @yuletide @christianselig @nitterbot @[email protected] @melgu @Zak8022 @niphette

They use it because it has better marketing.

Ask yourself why bloatware like Discord became so popular.

Show threadChris DeStefanoJun 19, 2023
@LindaLockhea @yuletide @christianselig @nitterbot @AudraTran @melgu @Zak8022 @niphette all my point is. since you're even bringing that up, you already know where people would go... if they go anywhere
Show thread𝐿𝒾𝓃𝒹𝒶Jun 19, 2023

@ChrisDeStefano @yuletide @christianselig @nitterbot @[email protected] @melgu @Zak8022 @niphette

More people use Twitter than Mastodon. What is your point?

The ratio of Matrix and XMPP users is very slim.

Show threadChris DeStefanoJun 20, 2023

@LindaLockhea @yuletide @christianselig @nitterbot @AudraTran @melgu @Zak8022 @niphette I'm not here to argue.

I hope both live on. Xmpp has proven it can stand the test of time. But when signal, WhatsApp, etc. stopped using it as a base protocol the usage for sure dropped off. Heck, even when I was younger people used 'jabber' before moving to aim.

But you can't claim that without proof. To say I have 4 active xmpp accounts on my homeserver + another. And 6 or so on matrix. But most don't leave the homeserver. So how can either of those count towards usage of either protocol?

To people that are willing to install an xmpp app, that's my protocol of choice. Easier to maintain as a whole as ejabbered is significnatly more straighftoward than syanpse, apps are usually more straightforward because they're not as feature reach, (conversations 21MB vs Element 100MB on android) but it takes a tech person to appreciate it.

Show threadMark WhybirdJun 20, 2023
@yuletide @christianselig @nitterbot wish I had read this comment before I read it on reddit - that was literally my first instant on the site in any way since the blackout.
Show threadJustin FerrellJun 19, 2023
@christianselig does the refund only apply to subs? I bought the one time unlock years ago and don’t want a refund either.
Show threadZak8022 Jun 19, 2023

@developerjustin @christianselig Curious about this too. I’d have to assume the one time unlock doesn’t apply, since there was no subscription agreement. Similar to how the tip jar would work, but with a perk of unlocking lifetime access. I also thjnk that since Christian is still putting out the idea of the Tip Jar, the one time/non-subscription payments are non-refundable. But that’s all just my guesses.

Good on you Christian, your response is well worded and factually backed up. 💜

Show threadMelvin GundlachJun 19, 2023
@developerjustin @christianselig It should only apply to subs. So one time payments won’t be refunded either way.
Show threadBooleanJun 21, 2023
@developerjustin @christianselig probably, usually lifetime refers to lifetime of the product
Show threadniphetteJun 19, 2023
@christianselig The irony of this browser pop-up appearing when I clicked the link to the post 🤮
Show threadChris ElyJun 19, 2023

I'm really surprised to see that it was posted to Reddit in the first place.

We know they have been playing games with content. Why give them access to your content debunking their claims?!

You don't actually need to view their site with the nagging either.

https://gist.github.com/christianselig/449b0bd374167ff7335fab2b823120ef

https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/57584/Christian-Selig-I-want-to-debunk-Reddit-s-claims-and-talk

http://archive.today/cyDdX

https://teddit.totaldarkness.net/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/

https://libreddit.totaldarkness.net/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/

Update from OP: https://mastodon.social/@christianselig/110572633418666386

#Reddit #ApolloApp

@niphette @christianselig

I want to debunk Reddit's claims, and talk about their unwillingness to work with developers, moderators, and the larger community, as well as say thank you for all the support

I want to debunk Reddit's claims, and talk about their unwillingness to work with developers, moderators, and the larger community, as well as say thank you for all the support - apollo-update-...

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Show threadPeter JohnsonJun 19, 2023

@christianselig one surprise to me still: that Reddit leadership hasn't torpedeoed r/ApolloApp for some trumped up reason because you're such an effective communicator on it.

To be clear, I don’t think that move would be smart or go over well, but then little else they've done is the past month has been either so 🤷🏼‍♂️

Show threadCelebrate Billionaire PainJun 19, 2023
@libraryvines @christianselig *yet
Show threadPeter JohnsonJun 19, 2023
@BootyLasher @christianselig still 11 days to go I guess 😅
Show threadMoved to [email protected]Jun 19, 2023
@christianselig could you maybe post somewhere other than reddit?
Show threadChristian SeligJun 19, 2023
@ssoriche https://gist.github.com/christianselig/449b0bd374167ff7335fab2b823120ef
I want to debunk Reddit's claims, and talk about their unwillingness to work with developers, moderators, and the larger community, as well as say thank you for all the support

I want to debunk Reddit's claims, and talk about their unwillingness to work with developers, moderators, and the larger community, as well as say thank you for all the support - apollo-update-...

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Show threadcertified astrsk ✨Jun 19, 2023
@christianselig That clip of Steve apologizing “immediately” is ridiculous and his behavior after that call publicly is potentially defamatory. That was hard to listen to.
Show threadXavJun 19, 2023
@christianselig @astrsk You could definitely talk to a lawyer about defamation because of that blackmail propaganda spez was spreading
Show threadAdam DemasiJun 19, 2023
@christianselig Please please set up a blog. I can’t read this without giving Reddit ad pennies or at least basic analytics that increment their active user counts. You need to stop giving this company benefits they don’t deserve *especially* after they tried to suck you dry and threaten your career for not going along with it.
Show threadHayden Seay Jun 19, 2023
@kirb @christianselig procursus.social and hachyderm.io both have increased character limits that are suitable for decent sized blogposts.
Show threadChristian SeligJun 19, 2023
@kirb I have a blog, but I wanted to reach the largest audience possible with this, and you can still do so through my app for a few more days. But I totally understand where you're coming from, and you can access it as well from here: https://gist.github.com/christianselig/449b0bd374167ff7335fab2b823120ef
I want to debunk Reddit's claims, and talk about their unwillingness to work with developers, moderators, and the larger community, as well as say thank you for all the support

I want to debunk Reddit's claims, and talk about their unwillingness to work with developers, moderators, and the larger community, as well as say thank you for all the support - apollo-update-...

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Show threadAdam DemasiJun 20, 2023
@christianselig Sorry, re-reading that hours later I came off really shitty. Just meant that I found it weird to keep giving traffic to a company that tried to sabotage your income and reputation, I felt weird telling friends about the post by linking to a site I’m trying to avoid giving free traffic to myself right now (including that I’ve disabled a feature in my app that displays community news from Reddit). Any reason you couldn't do it as a link post to your blog I guess?
Show threadTanner B 🆓🇵🇸Jun 29, 2023
@kirb @christianselig Does he have a blog?
Show threadChristian SeligJun 29, 2023
@objc @kirb Is “he” me haha? I do, this felt a bit more drama-y than I liked, so I didn't want to put it on my blog, but I might do a cohesive post eventually
Show threadTanner B 🆓🇵🇸Jul 3, 2023
@christianselig @kirb Yes sorry, I have a habit of just leaving all the mentions in place ;P
Show threadDeifilerJun 19, 2023

@christianselig

They did you and all the other developers dirty man, I wish you the best luck moving forward.

The kbin and Lemmy communities are ripe for an app right now, just saying ;)

Show threadJulianJun 19, 2023
@christianselig Thank you Christian for continually calling out Reddit on their BS. Can't imagine how awful this whole thing has been for you, and more people need to know what Reddit thinks of their partners and users.
Show threadnickJun 19, 2023
@christianselig any plans to allow users to import their own API key into Apollo? I don’t think that would be against any Reddit TOS and I would happily continue subscribing to Ultra. I will never download their Reddit app after all this nonsense.
Show threadbutternutJun 19, 2023
@nick_ @christianselig that was addressed in this post. Reddit says it’s not allowed.
Show threadnickJun 19, 2023
@butternut @christianselig of course they did 😔
Show threadevolvestableJun 19, 2023
@nick_ @christianselig It’s addressed in the post but Reddit won’t allow that to happen unfortunately.
Show threadlucasbanJun 20, 2023
@nick_
He said in his post that this was not allowed by Reddit
Show threadA Human BeingJun 20, 2023

@nick_ @christianselig Not sure if it is on the post or the comments but there was a link to someone who asked the same in other popular third add app sub and one of the devs said that Reddit don not allow that.

Also think, you would be paying them for a limited API, they are not going to allow NSFW content on it. Porn? Blocked. Non porn subs but with some posts that need the tag? Blocked. Sensitive topic subs like Jessicamshannon? Blocked. Parody like OnlyFans? Blocked.

Show threadMat GaddJun 19, 2023
@christianselig thanks for posting these updates here, I’ve given up on Reddit after such slimy actions by the head sleazeball. Shameless.
Show threadTom HülsmannJun 19, 2023
@christianselig Thank you for providing a direct way to support you with a little tip! To be honest I never payed for Apollo before, but I have certainly gotten much use of it, so I was very happy to be able to support you in this situation. Your work is very much appreciated!
Show threadChris Wu 🪐Jun 19, 2023
@christianselig I cannot roll my eyes enough every time I read that quote about how they're willing to work with devs that are willing to work with them. Dropping a 30 day deadline for astronomical charges is not how I would think that process would start.
Show threadAdrian Schönig Jun 19, 2023
@MuseumShuffle @christianselig I'm also willing to work with anyone who is willing to send me a million dollars every month 30 days from now.
Show threadCaleb Hearth Jun 19, 2023
@christianselig Kinda shocked you still post these to Reddit only haha. Whatever you want to do is fine of course.
Show threadmatt Jun 19, 2023
@christianselig 💔
Show threadNo Fun BergJun 19, 2023

@christianselig If Apple doesn’t provide the option to refuse the Apollo refund, I will put the refund into Pixel Pals.

This situation sucks. Looking forward to what comes next from you(and quietly hoping it’s a Lemmy or Kbin reader. I’m liking Lemmy so far)

Show thread CalebJun 19, 2023

@christianselig The tip jar hasn’t been showing up for me for weeks. Just updated to the latest version and it finally appeard so I sent you a tip.

Also received my (self dubbed) commemorative Tee from the cotton bureau yesterday. I hope that helps too…

Thanks for everything!

Show thread(ns)biscuitJun 19, 2023
@christianselig if there’s anything I can do for you/a non-Apple taxed way to send you a tip feel free to reach out buddy ❤️
Show threadDaveJun 19, 2023
@christianselig I stan you
Show threadSteve StrezaJun 19, 2023
@christianselig Need a verb for "remove the DNS block, upvote for solidarity, reenable the DNS block, and read elsewhere".
Show threadAimeeJun 19, 2023
@stevestreza @christianselig I was doing some serious mental gymnastics reading that post. “Okay, but if Reddit sees I’m only accessing the site to read posts by app developer against their api changes, surely they’ll get the message…….. right?”
Show threadJason CoxJun 19, 2023
@christianselig I gotta hand it to you, the thought that you put into these posts and the eloquent manner in which you present your info is bloody great. Everytime you post something we need Sad Trombone to play in all of the Reddit executive offices.
Show threadGustavo MedoriJun 19, 2023
@christianselig You're handling this whole thing with an incredible amount of grace. Speaking from the heart where it counts but otherwise killing them with kindness. I’m envious. Dunno if I could do the same thing.
Show threadColin McNaughtonJun 19, 2023
@christianselig definitely would read this but I blocked reddit on my network 😂
Show threadtravno1Jun 19, 2023
@cloin Ha, I blocked it on my network too. Well done!
Show threadvinewoodblvdJun 19, 2023
@christianselig at first I thought your swipe about “going quietly” did somewhat sound like a vague threat but after listening to Huffman actually say “oh sorry I misunderstood you” and then reading his comments afterwards makes me seriously dislike the guy. HITA.
Show threadDavid ChartierJun 19, 2023
@christianselig The irony is fun.
Show threadDaniel 🏳️‍🌈 Jilg Jun 19, 2023
@christianselig FWIW I got a pixel pals sub! Good luck with the process and I hope a lot of people forego their refunds
Show threadTeakayahJun 19, 2023
@christianselig what a legend! Kudos for standing up to yourself!
Show threadSimon SjödinJun 19, 2023
@christianselig I understood that Reddit was full of bullshit the moment they said that you, a single developer with a small business, was blackmailing them,
a company worth billions. I rolled my eyes so hard.
This whole API shit storm is their own fault.
Show threadTheConquerorWormJun 19, 2023
@christianselig this is all so frustrating. Looking forward to an alternative to Reddit.