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Jon S. von Tetzchner
Geniusak@jon I agree heartily. But individual servers might be a lot of overhead for each entity. I think there might be benefit to a coalition of news companies setting up one server for themselves.
@Geniusak , setting up a #Mastodon server is not that complicated. All these news organizations already have other servers, so adding this as a service would not add to much to the complexity.
You want to be able to identify both the organization and people working there. That is rather easy to do with Mastodon.
Martin Vermeer FCD
Eric Lawton
Helderweb@jon
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It is time for the #BBC and #NPR to set up shop on #Mastodon. Same applies to all other serious news institutions.
They should set up their own servers. They have the means to do so and it just makes sense.
My comment
Complete agreement..
Add #CSPAN
Their radio station and Channels 1, 2 and 3
Federal Agencies
Members of Congress
I will not use Twitter again
Kevin RussellWordpress is removing twitter, and both tumblr and wordpress are trying to accomodate joining the fediverse, Mastodonia.
Edit, a former wordpress coder says that twitter support is not being dropped. twitter is malware
@kevinrns , this is clearly the trend. I just think the latest news indicate a need for urgency.
Philip John
Son of a Sailor@jon This. And every reporter associated with those servers would automatically be verified.
Christy S@jon NPR is on mastodon. I don't know if it's their own server, but they're here.
Odiseo
Gizmo@jon I worked for a national newspaper for ten years in technology, and while I think it’s a great idea, I don’t think it’ll happen. Just not enough vision in the tech space and with the problems with advertising/support there’s little appetite for creative thinking. Hopefully I’ll be proven wrong, but that’s what my time there tells me.
@Gizmo , I think this is different. For me the #fediverse and #Mastodon is more like the Web. Not everyone has realized that as yet, but that will change.
Elon Musk is in many ways helping point out why we really need this change, if it was not clear to people before.
@jon That could be true. All I know is when I wanted to buy a server to host BigNationalNewspaper.com, I had to submit a budget for approximately two servers in order to be sure that the capital for one would be approved (if I’d’ve asked for one, I probably would’ve gotten the money for half) and budgeting over there has only gotten worse I’m told. I could be completely wrong, it’s just my sense.
And as a disclaimer the organization I worked for wasn’t one you mentioned.
JdeBPI suspect that there are rules about what the #BBC can and cannot do, with respect to this, as well as political obstacles from the government. The BBC has a bit of a history of getting ahead of the commercial competition on technology only to be reined in by government pressure.
Then there's the distinction between the BBC itself and subsidiaries like BBC Studios.
MaryPot
I searched the help for Bing and for Search Engines and did not find anything explaining it.
I did find a lot of users having big problems getting rid of Bing, though.
I'm not going to spend hours trying to find out why a shiney new browser, with history back to when Opera was a good thing, chooses to force users to use Bing.
Very disappointing, and the help section is a mess and half.
Good thing I didn't uninstall my other browser. 😞
@MaryPot changing the search engine is trivial, it takes two clicks. There's no forcing.
But if that's too much work for you, then I'm not sure vivaldi is the browser for you anyway.
There was a bug with default search engines a couple months back, but other than that nobody should be having any trouble with it.
Actually, based on problems users have had, there are at least 3 different places you can have Bing locked into the browser.
I'm Norwegian. I got the impression, wrongly, it seems, that the people behind the Vivaldi browser were of a similar mindset to young Opera. They aren't if they are making deals with companies like MS to preset a browser that snoops maybe more than Google does.
What other deals have they made with users' privacy, I wonder.
@MaryPot I've used it for quite a while, and I can assure you, there's no place it's locked in.
Search deals are how they manage to keep the browser free.
I never used the original opera, but it's many of the same people, including Jon, whose post we were talking under.
I get that you are a fan, and may have drank the cool-aid, but it took me minutes to see users having trouble getting RID of Bing. And, as I say, any company associated with MS has a taint of MS.
There are many other ways to earn money than cuddling up to big business, especially big business that is known for decades to "play" with the privacy of their customers/users.
teledyn 𓂀
Suquamish@jon not just news, but any actual government service that citizens rely on for information.
It's just a matter of time before #musk starts deleting users and content that's inconvenient (and he kinda already did this).
The problem, unless there's a mass urging them to move to #mastodon, these organizations simply won't know to start their #twittermigration
If you've still got a #twitter account, it's probably time to sacrifice it and tell organizations you care about to #migrate.
@suquamish , agreed, although I would maybe not delete the Twitter account straight away, but rather move things over as quickly as possible.
@jon Oh, I wasn't suggesting deleting the #twitter account.
The problem was that the #musk was banning accounts that linked to/mentioned rival social media platforms (including mastodon).
If a large organization (say the #BBC) starts using Mastodon, he might just shutdown their twitter account out of spite.
If anyone uses their personal twitter account to mention migrating, the expectation should be to receive a permaban.
Shingo Mouse 🌳@suquamish @jon And I think it's jut a matter of time before someone starts an uprising to demand the #FBI and the #DOJ to investigate #ElonMusk in his blatant disregard of the first amendment of the #USConstitution.
@ShingoMouse @jon Since #twitter is a private company, I don't believe it is bound by the confines of the first amendment.
John Philpin Ⓜ️@jon ummm yes?
Boswell@jon bbc isn't gov funded but it is government affiliated. They irrefutably try to censor stuff which might upset the tory governments hard right voters.
J. Mat B. Wilcoxson 👋@Jamesboswell @jon
I refute this, just like many, many others.
Time rnd time again, the BBC has been tested and found to have very little to no bias.
It's their job to do THAT. It's why they exist and why they must continue to exist.
@jmbw @jon what was the gary linekar thing about then? Sports presenter critiqued the government's awful language against refugees, so the gov pressured the bbc to drop him. Then the bbc bowed down and aired a show watched live by millions of people with no presenter or voice over.
Or what about this new david Attenborough show that was whitewashed, with the 6th episode now going to be silently dropped onto iPlayer and not aired (like the other 5 episodes) because it makes our country look bad
Jon Tromans@Jamesboswell @jmbw @jon That's not what happened. Gary said something and BBC management had no idea how to apply social media guidelines, they tried to apply news guidelines to a freelance sports presenter. At no point did the government pressure anyone to drop him, like you said. Bad management, yes but no Government pressure.
Attenborough thing, again bad management but no Government pressure.
@jontromans @jmbw @jon dozens of tory mps wrote to the bbc chief to complain about linekar. Then suddenly linekar is given an ultimatum by the bbc.
That's not gov pressure?
The chairman of the bbc is a tory stooge as well. Look at the lengths that boris Johnson went to when appointing him - including stuffing the "politically neutral" panel with tory allies and donors. They tried to get paul dacre in there first too, so it's just insulting to suggest it's not tory favourable at the top.
@Jamesboswell @jmbw @jon Highly doubt MPs/Ministers tweeting or calling made any difference. Its just someone saying something. They don't have that power over individuals. Its just really bad management.
I had similar during elections. MPs would ask me to ask about certain topics & I asked what I wanted. Was that political pressure?
Most journos will have been asked/given guidelines for an interview but most will ignore it unless its personal stuff. This has been happening forever.
@jontromans @jmbw @jon Too many coincidences to be 'bad' management. Especially when the 'bad' management always seems to side with the government. More like 'rigged' management.
Iαη 🍺@jon Yes. They both promote/advertise Twitter on every article. Do they not understand the damage they are causing?
Add Deutsche Welle dw.com to your list.
The BBC News Technology Editor Zoe Kleinman @zsk is on Mastodon now. Let's hope she can enlighten her colleagues and bring some change.
It's clear that the "go to the where people are" policy has become "send the people to Twitter and recommend it"
73 million seconds
Zoe Kleinman@zsk @jmbw @ianp5a , I think setting up a BBC server changes things. You can drive traffic your way instead of being dependent on the whims of the platform owner. I would have thought the latest comments and actions of Mr. Musk would have made that clear.
Setting up a server like that should not be hard for the BBC team. I know you have the competence to do this. If you want to hear about our experience, we are happy to help.
U. Gerhardt 🇪🇺@jon
Same applies to other important institutions like space agencies etc.
Same applies to other important institutions like space agencies etc.
🇵🇸 Panino, o Moço 🇮🇷@jon thanks, but no.
Not with their editorial line.
Not with their editorial line.
Chad McCullough@jon Agreed!!
Edward@jon Agreed. I've also noticed some news orgs have been posting from the press.coop instance.