thiago
Eugen RochkoIf Meta is really working on a new ActivityPub-powered social network, I see it as a very positive signal overall--my personal feelings towards Meta notwithstanding. For one, it's validation for our entire ecosystem from the biggest player. It also tells me that they don't see themselves as strong enough to keep users locked inside their walled garden anymore. It means the tide is really turning for interoperable social media, and that's always been the goal.
poxonus 
@Gargron I haven’t seen this yet but that’s exciting to hear
David Nelson
Chris Trottier@Gargron My thoughts exactly. They see the future and they know it's not walled gardens.
More to the point, just because they're Meta doesn't mean they'll be successful.
Kodak was an early adopter of digital cameras, but they went bankrupt.
Why? Because they just couldn't leave film photography behind.
@Gargron All of Facebook's recent successes aren't a result of innovation. Any recent success they have is because they either acquired or copied the competition.
Meta can't acquire the Fediverse. Therefore they copy.
But now they're on our terrain, and the game has changed. They don't get to set the rules anymore 🙂
MJ@atomicpoet and most people think Zuck is the "visionary"... I'd say @Gargron meets the true definition of that.
Ishtar@wpgne @atomicpoet @Gargron ikr! just check out this post of his from before he singlehandedly created the fediverse! his ingenuity is astounding
https://archive.ph/cgRjn
https://archive.ph/cgRjn
alex@ishtar @Gargron @atomicpoet @wpgne this is such a bizarre resort to ad hominem. “calling out” someone because they made a positive comment on an incest ship in TWO THOUSAND AND TWELVE really is scraping the bottom of the barrel. the guy calling him a visionary seems a tad misguided but i mean really, what are you trying to prove here?
@amshepherd @Gargron @atomicpoet @wpgne "ad hominem" lmao what? not everything is a debate, I posted it because I thought it was funny. reddit debatebro-tier response to a throwaway joke.
@ishtar @Gargron @atomicpoet @wpgne i’m not debatebro’ing anyone. i just think it’s a ridiculous thing to criticise someone on, and also rather insensitive and invasive to bring up.
Brennan Stehling@atomicpoet @Gargron The Fediverse can copy FB groups, events and shared photo albums. It would allow so many people to finally to get off the platform.
@brennansv @Gargron You can do this with Friendica right now.
@atomicpoet Perhaps. I just had a look and it does not seem to be as far along as Mastodon which now has many apps. I use @ivory and @IceCubesApp which are quite good in terms of usability and visual design. I may be an early adopter but it will be hard to convince others to get onboard.
@brennansv Friendica has actually been around since 2010. Because it too uses ActivityPub, it’s largely cross compatible with Mastodon. This is why people on Mastodon can contribute to @fediversenews, which is a group hosted on a Friendica server.
Also, Friendica also uses Mastodon’s API. Mobile developers like @ivory should support it but they choose not to.
By the way, Android has better support for the rest of the Fediverse 😀
@atomicpoet Nearly everyone I follow on Mastodon do not use Android. I think @ivory would be open to expanding, but has simply ported features from the other @tapbots app for the #Birdsite. Perhaps they could consider other Fediverse apps.
Erik Uden => Wait, can you import posts from Facebook to Friendica?
@Erik I read that Facebook blocked that.
Bruh. That’s so sad. So I guess no luck on Pixelfed importing Instagram posts either…
However, Gallery-DL is a thing, downloading Instagram posts or Facebook posts isn’t hard, I really don’t see why the devs don’t implement it, but then again, I don’t know their software.
Mike McCue@atomicpoet @Gargron Reminds me of what Jim Barksdale, our CEO at Netscape, used to say: In a fight between a bear and an alligator, it's the terrain that determines the victor.
mike805@atomicpoet @Gargron if we could do one thing to eliminate tech monopolies it should be: no buying other companies if you have a monopoly anywhere.
@atomicpoet
FB/Meta might be targeting just the #TwitterMigration accounts, not the fewer IRC/XMPP/Matrix minded accounts. They can be another client that speaks an #ActivityPub dialect, just like Mastodon or Pleroma, but can give the migrants what they don't get as much on the Fediverse - say, discoverability (and ChatGPT-ness ?) - and add in their algorithms.
Paloma 
Can they acquire Mastodon @Gargron?
I mean, the development, the project. Is it legally protected like the Linux kernel?
@atomicpoet @Gargron Kodak just didn't have any advantages in digital cameras. They did not excel at making CCD chips. Or flash memory. Or lenses. They excelled in making FILM - the one thing you no longer needed. Kodak going into digital cameras was like the USPS going into email - they had no special advantage there.
@atomicpoet @Gargron yes their lab built a big box with a tape deck as I recall. I think AT&T invented the CCD camera for their Picturephone. They probably thought like everyone else that it would never match film for quality.
Of course the digital camera manufacturers have a problem now because phone cameras are good enough for most things.
Xerox should have owned office computing too. Western Union should have owned telephones - the first telephone calls were made over their lines after all.
@atomicpoet @Gargron I have a book on steam power here. In the late 19th-early 20th century there were many companies making steam powered land vehicles, most for hauling heavy loads. https://150case.com/ here is an outstanding example - most were not that big.
Not one is a modern car or truck maker. A basic technological change almost always results in a new crop of companies, even if the new tech does the same thing as the old tech.
FiXato@atomicpoet 🙂 you could say they... 😏🕶️ couldn't develop
😎 📸(sorry, couldn't resist the pun opportunity)
@Gargron
😎 📸(sorry, couldn't resist the pun opportunity)
@Gargron
gunstick@atomicpoet @Gargron Facebook left XMMP behind, and I wish they go bankrupt now.
textcontainer@Gargron It is safe to say: You will be in the history books. ✨
Tobias Fiebig@Gargron No. It means E3 all over again... :-/
David Pollak@Gargron please be aware of and careful about embrace and extend… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
@dpp He's not naive.
Typositoire 
Aurin Azadî@Gargron I don't know. Do you want your data to be on Facebook? Or in general on platforms that exist in order to collect personal data? Actually, I don't.
Mike Sims@Gargron Well, it probably means they intend to embrace, extend and extinguish, so... watch out.
Dan McDonaldEmbrace, extend, extinguish. THAT's what I worry about. You're presumably old enough to remember this was (and likely is) MSFT's Modus Operandi?
I *do* hope you're right, and I'm wrong. I just worry...
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Chloe Tse 
@Gargron if there is anything positive coming out of the bird site burning down, it's this! Such a great win for ActivityPub and the philosophy behind it!
Freakinbox@Gargron Meta has been hemorrhaging users for a few years now. Like Twitter it has tried to wall people off then suggesting they pay to promote themselves... and like Twitter... they are learning you don't have content creators when you force such things.
IMO, if they don't adapt they will stop existing.
Bots make up a lot of their interactions there now. Much like we see with Twitter.
DJGummikuh@Gargron Let's hope they'er not trying to subverse ActivitPub by flooding it with custom "improvements" :S
NicholasR@Gargron
PLEASE be careful! This is #MarkFuckerberg ! He will NOT be looking out for #ActivityPub nor #Mastodon
PLEASE be careful! This is #MarkFuckerberg ! He will NOT be looking out for #ActivityPub nor #Mastodon
Eleanor@Gargron
Just keep in mind the strategy these corporations employ: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Just keep in mind the strategy these corporations employ: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Cykonot@Gargron gotta Embrace before they Extend and Extinguish.
Maybe they'll take an open approach but that's not really what they're known for
Cyber Yuki@Gargron Just be careful of "Embrace and Extend". Remember what Google did to XMPP.
Peter (moved to .social)@Gargron I'm very much looking forward to this big gardens connecting to the network. I think there's a chance.
Jack Yan (甄爵恩)@Gargron Whatever they do, I wonʼt be jumping on board to their version.
Also itʼs not 2007. Their time has long passed.
Also itʼs not 2007. Their time has long passed.
Todd Smith@Gargron Have to agree with those who believe it's an attempt to Embrace Extend Extinguish.
I won't be touching it.
aresis it possible to block an instance at the fediverse level
Firalia 
Haelwenn /элвэн/ 
@Gargron Yeah, I do have a bit of worry in terms of culture and good old Embrace Extend Extinguish (not a strong one though, I don't think people would leave OG Fediverse to Meta, more like the other way around really).
At least I would very much welcome tearing the wall of Facebook down.
At least I would very much welcome tearing the wall of Facebook down.
uwu1ba@a1ba @Gargron IIRC what Google did is make people migrate en masse to Google Talk, for various reasons but a lot of them even made technical sense due to XMPP's pretty poor interoperability on almost all levels and the particular case of VoIP being an horrible pain to get working thanks to NAT.
Meanwhile in this particular case:
- I don't believe people will move to Facebook's servers
- Facebook has been leaking users for the past years, so I believe people *will* leave Facebook, specially if they can still contact some people after migrating to the other side
- The fediverse bootstrapped itself / works standalone, it's not the extraneous network like it was in GnuSocial era where basically everyone had accounts on a bigger network
Meanwhile in this particular case:
- I don't believe people will move to Facebook's servers
- Facebook has been leaking users for the past years, so I believe people *will* leave Facebook, specially if they can still contact some people after migrating to the other side
- The fediverse bootstrapped itself / works standalone, it's not the extraneous network like it was in GnuSocial era where basically everyone had accounts on a bigger network
@a1ba @Gargron Censorship is a funny one because if you look at the fediverse, people leave instances with too much restrictions (or not enough).
It's going to be a cultural mess, that's for sure but we have pretty good moderation and curation tools on the fediverse side of things and some instances that will probably annoy the shit out of facebook.
As for EEE, I think it's actually not the right one, the amount of features and stuff doesn't matters much, at least beyond techies.
What matters is hype / has wind in their sails, and facebook is a ship lost at sea.
It's going to be a cultural mess, that's for sure but we have pretty good moderation and curation tools on the fediverse side of things and some instances that will probably annoy the shit out of facebook.
As for EEE, I think it's actually not the right one, the amount of features and stuff doesn't matters much, at least beyond techies.
What matters is hype / has wind in their sails, and facebook is a ship lost at sea.
Eric McCorkle@Gargron one of the key strengths of the open source movement has been its ability to interact with and influence large companies, without becoming beholden to them. It's the only movement that breaks from the dominant cultural logic to have achieved this, as opposed to becoming separatist in nature. This is why the open-source movement has not only avoided destruction, but has accomplished and enormous amount.
YurkshireLad@Gargron I suppose meta could create their own gigantic (and modified) Mastodon instance and brand it as Facebook. They may even try to contribute to Mastodon’s source code and ultimately try to steer its development in whatever direction they want.