Eugen RochkoMar 10, 2023
If Meta is really working on a new ActivityPub-powered social network, I see it as a very positive signal overall--my personal feelings towards Meta notwithstanding. For one, it's validation for our entire ecosystem from the biggest player. It also tells me that they don't see themselves as strong enough to keep users locked inside their walled garden anymore. It means the tide is really turning for interoperable social media, and that's always been the goal.
Show threadHaelwenn /элвэн/ Mar 10, 2023
@Gargron Yeah, I do have a bit of worry in terms of culture and good old Embrace Extend Extinguish (not a strong one though, I don't think people would leave OG Fediverse to Meta, more like the other way around really).

At least I would very much welcome tearing the wall of Facebook down.
Show threaduwu1baMar 11, 2023
@lanodan @Gargron remember when Google supported XMPP? It did change the reputation of XMPP from positive to negative, when they were slowly killing XMPP support.

And it wasn't a technical problem that Google's support for it was incomplete, they just didn't care enough.
Show threadHaelwenn /элвэн/ Mar 11, 2023
@a1ba @Gargron IIRC what Google did is make people migrate en masse to Google Talk, for various reasons but a lot of them even made technical sense due to XMPP's pretty poor interoperability on almost all levels and the particular case of VoIP being an horrible pain to get working thanks to NAT.

Meanwhile in this particular case:
- I don't believe people will move to Facebook's servers
- Facebook has been leaking users for the past years, so I believe people *will* leave Facebook, specially if they can still contact some people after migrating to the other side
- The fediverse bootstrapped itself / works standalone, it's not the extraneous network like it was in GnuSocial era where basically everyone had accounts on a bigger network
Show threaduwu1baMar 11, 2023
@lanodan @Gargron

I want to believe that, but so far, it sounds like EEE. When they will have enough of AP and federation quirks, they will just silently kill it, killing social connections as well.

Also Facebook is ultra censored, I don't think they just fit here.
Show threadHaelwenn /элвэн/ 
@a1ba @Gargron Censorship is a funny one because if you look at the fediverse, people leave instances with too much restrictions (or not enough).
It's going to be a cultural mess, that's for sure but we have pretty good moderation and curation tools on the fediverse side of things and some instances that will probably annoy the shit out of facebook.

As for EEE, I think it's actually not the right one, the amount of features and stuff doesn't matters much, at least beyond techies.
What matters is hype / has wind in their sails, and facebook is a ship lost at sea.
Mar 11, 2023 at 2:26amWeb
Show threaduwu1baMar 11, 2023
@lanodan @Gargron we'll see anyway. :)