@avuko @evacide that's a false dichotomy. Filtering lists of results isn't typically the goal of your search query, reading them to learn something is.
Changing the list of results with a summary of said results is merely reaching that information differently.
If the AI results become more factual over time and/or people learn to judge sources listed in the AI result (as they must now) it might become just more efficient.
Lots of ifs and buts, I'm aware, I just hope won't suck. 🤞
This shift means that “searching the web” will increasingly be performed by AI agents rather than humans. Instead, people will focus more on acting on the information those agents provide instead of manually clicking links. [My emphasis].
That they frame it as “clicking links” instead of processing information to create your own understanding and worldview, is a very smart and carefully constructed rhetorical trick.
Why spend your energy “clicking links”, which sounds like a useless and boring task, instead of working with the information they want to give you, within a context they control, exposed only to their ads and storylines, that you are then promised you can “act on”.
Like you have any grasp left on what you are acting on…
This whole thing is a worse kind of thought-control than whatever Orwell, Bradbury and Huxley ever came up with. Combined.
@TheGreatLlama @evacide @nuintari @kagihq Kagi gives me search. If I want AI I end my query with a ?
I do that maybe once every two or three months. I am extremely happy that the choice is mine to use or not.
I haven't played with kagi assistant so can't say how that fits into the scheme of things.
@TheGreatLlama @evacide @nuintari @kagihq if you can, please do use paid services, because those businesses could really use your business most likely.
However there are ample search engines that are more privacy focussed and (mostly) sans AI: startpage.com, search.brave.com and the already mentioned DuckDuckGo.
@evacide at my work if you use Edge or Chrome, an admin policy prevents changing the search engine from Google. I can't really use Firefox because 1) Threatlocker prevents me from installing extensions and 2) admin policies prevent me from copying text out of Service Now and other apps.
I've been lobbying for awhile to allow us to change search engines so hopefully this gets that moving.
You can easily remove the AI Overview...
https://hachyderm.io/@scrivy/116536252469319380
You can prepend your browser's #google search engine query with -ai+ to remove the "AI Overview": https://www.google.com/search?q=-ai+%s #noai #firefox
@evacide The midwest of the US, has over 75% increases in power costs, and their aquifer existing millions of years, is now in direct threat toward extinction - and it's because of #TechBros #greed, heaping #DataCenter #AbuseOfPower upon the innocently ignorant masses.
We're now forced to accelerate desalination, without the benefit of competing energy sources other than #FossilFuels
These abusers must be replaced asap, with ethical #RootInfrastructure #scientists.
As google doces alternative, I love https://cryptpad.fr @CryptPad
Others use some nextcloud suite (but I couldn't resolve technical issues).
https://switching.software/ is your friend.
@evacide hard agree.
search engines these days, even when not using AI, aren't returning useful links. It's all "what can I sell you related to your search" instead of "here is the information you requested" and its driving me nuts.
Researching for papers always made me happy. Later, I used to Google so deep for so many things. It was my goal to find shit people gave-up looking for. Hell, I used to get a hit on Page 10.
I collected so many gigs of football uniform reference through Goog and the many small websites hidden in corners that it would find with the right guiding.
I quit using it entirely maybe 5 years ago.
Don't get around much. Anymore.
@evacide When I was using Safari with duckduck on it, I always turned off AI and search assist. I wouldn't install duck (those settings would've stayed) because last time I did that on my last laptop, I couldn't uninstall it.
When I see anything AI, I quickly check what I missed doing. I type out 90% of my typing because I don't want to lose my typing skills or abillity to spell.
It's a long way of saying that I totally agree with you.
I like Ecosia. You can turn AI off and it plants trees when people use it.
Shrug. I switched to duckduckgo years ago.
Yeah, I first saw reporting on this kind of thing a month or two ago. Google just decided this is the way the web will work now unilaterally and companies are expected to reshape their websites to provide raw materials for Google to fashion content from.
It’s fucking bullshit
@evacide Not to pimp out my youtube channel, but I did a video on a few Google alternatives a month and a half ago. Could be it's helpful.

Just for fun I tried using the "AI mode" (like there's still another kind), and prefaced my search with "Please give me a classic set of google search results, with absolutely no AI summary, for the following terms:"
I got about ten results. It couldn't resist prefacing it with something like "Here are web results for your query", which technically breached the request.
@evacide it's the end of the world(wide web) as we know it and I feel fine
(because I search the whole web less and less and if I do it's not through google)
@evacide I agree with all the people in this thread who are saying to dump Google. I also think they maybe don't realize exactly how powerful and important Google search is to culture, the economy, politics, etc.
This has ramifications way beyond what search engine the people of Mastodon prefer.
(for the record, I use kagi.)