Allison MeloyNVDA is great, and I can see how it can be a primary screen reader for a lot of people. I haven’t decided yet if that includes me. Jaws is just what I know so well.
@technocounselor Good to have the choice, that's what I say! I've now used NVDA longer than I used JAWS, but both have their place, and each to their own preference!
André Polykanine@technocounselor I cringe every time I open a web page. Just not for me. I don't say it's bad, just not my piece of cake.
@technocounselor Trust me, if you stick with it long enough and really learn the commands, especially review cursor/object navigation where needed, you will never go back. Never never never never never.
@jpellis2008 @technocounselor I've been trying it for years, I know all the commands, but still I can't work without my JAWS cursor and still I can't stand web pages rendering. I need my separate lines for "List of X items", "List end" etc. Also, too few settings, constant searching for addons, mediocre Braille support without addons, and so on, and so forth. Again, it's a decent product, just not for me as it is.
Drew Mochak@menelion @jpellis2008 @technocounselor Can't you get the lines back if you turn off screen layout? NVDA+v.
@prism @jpellis2008 @technocounselor Unfortunately not. It says something like "Entering the list" and lands me inside the list at the same time. I know it's tiny, but there are lots of such tiny things that makes it inconvenient for me.
Michael Feir@technocounselor If I ever need to use Windows again, I'll be using NVDA. If nobody is paying me for my efforts, I just can't justify getting JAWS. If they do pay me for my efforts, I have no other use for JAWS so they had better pay well for all the effort I put into learning it again. By the time I stopped using Windows, NVDA was easily meeting my needs.
@mfeir @technocounselor At lest for me, and this could've been a setting on my laptop that recently died but I doubt it, the jaws cursor has been useless to me for years. Kept hearing blank blank where ever I used it, dialogs, word docs, ETC. Touch cursor was just as bad. Besides, who needs 3 or more cursors anyway when NVDA review is so easy to grasp.
@jpellis2008 @technocounselor I used to use the rout jaws to pc cursor all the time when playing Nethack. It would work wonderfully and let me easily review the map of the dungeon my character was in. I have yet to find an equivalent game on iOS. It's one of the very few things I actually miss.
JamminJerry@technocounselor I was in the same boat as you. I had used jaws sense it's dos days. smile. oh sure, I also used window-eyes from time to time, but I was 99 percent jaws. I made the choice to switch last october, because I knew I couldn't really afford my jaws hom manual lisence last november, so in october I dropped jaws, and have been using NVDA sense.
@JamminJerry @technocounselor Is there a way to virtualize the window in nvda like you can in jaws? explain the review and flat navigation modes for nvda please.
@keao @technocounselor I don't know all that stuff very well. I am still learning things myself. smile.
@JamminJerry @technocounselor got it! and I love nvda because it's fast at loading, I know DVR is going to slowly force students to use NVDA but the commands how the hell can I teach new students when they are so use to jaws?
@keao @JamminJerry @technocounselor I hope that they eventually do pick up NVDA. It is very capable.
@remixman @JamminJerry @technocounselor it is but then again all the commands are different you would need to know what your doing and explaining to them.
@keao @technocounselor that is just like someone switching from IPhone to android. at least some things are simular, but still, sometimes trying to teach someone change like that is pulling teeth, especially if they go into it thinking the new thing is going to be just like the old thing.
@JamminJerry @technocounselor You got it!
@keao @technocounselor part of the job I have now, I sometimes teach people the very basics on how to use android, and they are coming from an IPhone, and I swair sometimes I need a strong drink by the time a one hour session is done! lol!
@JamminJerry @technocounselor hey I know what you mean even with my older students I really need a drink after a session
@JamminJerry @technocounselor Luckily I am only able to teach jaws but the company I have has someone that can teach NVDA pretty much
@keao @technocounselor I am going to be teaching @shefoof how to use an android. I am even giving her an older one of mine. not too old mind you, but one I don't use except for beta testing. it is a pixel 8, but I get to teach it to her. I have already had the talk with her though that she needs to go into it with an open mind, and not think it will be just like an IPhone. she isn't completely switching, but she wants to learn how touse one, and if she likes it enough, she might switch.
@shefoof @keao @technocounselor yes. we will get you a different one if it kills me, as I hate hate hate hate the pixel launcher. smile. I like things that are more configuarable. although who knows, you might find you like it. don't let my thoughts keep you from trying something. that is the nice thing about android. you don't like a certain app, there are several more that are simular, that you can try. it is all about choice, and what works for you.
@ratking @keao @JamminJerry @technocounselor You could always try the NVDA Coach learning add-on. It's pretty cool! Here's the AppleVis review: https://www.applevis.com/forum/windows/those-who-wants-give-nvda-second-look-nvda-coach-add-may-be-very-useful#:~:text=What%20is%20NVDA%20Coach%3F,happens%20right%20inside%20NVDA%20itself.
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Steven Scott@technocounselor I’m full time on NVDA on windows now. I cannot afford the prices so despite my affection for JAWS it’s just not an option for me anymore. Since making the leap I’ve really come to like it, much more than I thought I would. I honestly don’t think you can be truly good at using a tool like this if you’re always switching away to use another tool when it gets tricky. I’m a much better user of it now as its my only option - beside Narrator of course.
Alex Chapman@stevenscott @technocounselor I agree, I can't afford the absurd prices Vispero are charging for Jaws, and despite its weird glitches like in terminals I like NVDA.
@stevenscott Yeah, that’s why I have resisted the urge to put jaws on this laptop.
Jamie Pauls@technocounselor @stevenscott I have been using NVDA a lot more lately, and I also like it much more than I ever thought I would.
@JamiePauls @stevenscott There is a lot to like. I wonder what I’m doing wrong in PowerPoint. With jaws running, I can hit f five to run a slideshow, I can arrow through the content, and I can press page down to advance to the next slide. None of that works in NVDA. I wonder if there are alternative keyboard shortcuts that maybe I just don’t know?
Brian Moore@technocounselor @JamiePauls @stevenscott no, those are powerpoint keystrokes and not screen reader specific so not sure why it is not working. I use those specifically in nvda all the time.
@technocounselor @JamiePauls It might be working but I wonder if it’s being reported by NVDA. I have never used PowerPoint and actively avoid it if I can so I can’t help you there. That’s the challenge with switching - initially it all feels very familiar, until it doesn’t.
@technocounselor @JamiePauls @stevenscott I too, wanted you to stay on NVDA when I purchased my latest mini book. However, just like you, PowerPoint presentation, which are crucial this semester for one of my classes will not be red correctly with NVDA. It was after I ran the print PowerPoint presentation with Jaws, that NVDA started to behave like it was supposed to. (1/2)
But I would have to do that with every presentation. And I need to review up to three or four PowerPoint presentation each week for this semester. (2/2)
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