Wim Godden
Jan SchaumannStarting to think the real risk is not AI replacing junior staff, but senior staff quitting because they just can’t take this AI bullshit any longer and just opt for early retirement.
Viss
Pseudo NymThis was definitely part of it.
I stepped away from a pretty good senior cybersec position a few months ago. Remains to be seen if this is permanent retirement, a sabbatical, or just some voluntary unemployment.
But I foresee a number of issues around "AI" adoption, both directly and indirectly in #infosec this coming year.
The supply chain stuff, and general quality problems from "good enough" code are going to explode attack surfaces.
Kenton Riley@jschauma you get me. Got about 4 years left, depending on how hard the economy tanks & destroys my savings.
The Wookie
mtnrbq65
Jan Wildeboer 😷
@jschauma Yep. AI Brain Drain is real.
707Kat@jschauma @prietschka I'm sure you have some insight on this.
Paul Rietschka@707Kat @jschauma Many, many seniors are leaving.
It's not just the lack of capability incoming juniors seem to have, it's the fact management is looking to hang responsibility for slopcode failures around their necks.
In DS I see a growing view that analysis will be automated, but it's my responsibility to ascertain veracity.
Yeah, that's not how this works.
"Automate my expertise away but hold me accountable for failure?"
"No thanks! Byyyyyyeeeeeeee!"
spinnyspinlock
Zimmie@prietschka @707Kat @jschauma Yeah, if I’m going to be an ablative blamesink, I’m going to be paid CISO-level money.
And I mean cash, not stock or options. If a company is using LLMs like that, their stock is junk anyway.
@bob_zim Did you see Jensen Huang from Nvidia now suggesting to pay people “bonuses” in tokens. 🥲
Natalie
Brian@jschauma I’ve considered Costco exit receipt checker a few times instead of complete retirement.
The Orange Theme
Lily Star
schrotthaufen
Sharp Cheddar Goblin@jschauma hey, that’s me. Maybe a bit early but I’m seriously considering it. Just got the dictate from management about aggressive AI integration into our processes. Not sure if I’ll opt for ragequit or getting fired.
@jschauma I'm not nearly old enough to retire yet, but I don't seriously see myself in this industry for much longer.
Dan (he/him) 
@jschauma @bluewinds If only I could afford to retire.
Artemysia
No soy Mario@jschauma if I was 15 years older, i'd def. consider it. Interacting with Junior devs that never get to actually grok it, are all cock-sure and lie constantly. It's Dante's special Dev ring...
Dan Dean
sauc3
ChefRaven
Nivex 🐧 📻
Sean Harding
Adam Collins@jschauma There's an ugly world where experienced staff are considered "essential workers" and therefore not allowed to not work in order to keep the pipes from bursting
Graham Sutherland / Polynomial@jschauma rising staff turnover at places pushing AI heavily is certainly making me raise an eyebrow
Jérôme Petazzoni@gsuberland @jschauma oh do we finally have numbers on that?
GrumpyDad 🇺🇦🇵🇸@jschauma Am senior. Can confirm
ravelin
Sandor Spruit 🇪🇺🇳🇱🇺🇦🇨🇦@jschauma I feel seen 🤨
diabhoil
Larry Garfield@jschauma Out of work Staff-level. Honestly debating pivoting out of software dev, both because the market is shit and because AI is shit.
Though the corporate overlords would probably want that. They want to have fewer of us anyway.
ohir
Si Dawson
nivs@jschauma @gsuberland 30+ years in tech. This is my wish.
RRB
Giflian
crumbletiltskin@jschauma this is exactly what i did.
minus9
Codey McCodeface@jschauma “Well, then we’ll just get the older AIs to mentor the newer ones.”
stony kark@jschauma retirement?! I stopped working in tech a couple years ago thanks in part to AI, but I'll never really get to retire.
always tired@jschauma I'd wish I could afford quitting for good.
Really Lazy Bear 
@jschauma Honestly, more people should just be free to do whatever they want. If you feel like you've served your purpose long enough to make you think about quitting your job and you think it's eating away at your motivation to do anything, you should just do it. Self-respect and all that stuff
"AI" sucks but I mean, what can you do. Can't control whatever the trend the world's going through but you can decide what you wanna do with your life and that's something controllable at least, idk.
ɗ𐐩ʃƕρʋ
minentromaxinfo@jschauma If there comes a point at which trouble shooting AI issues becomes my major source of tickets, that's when I retire or change industries.
100%. My entire career plan, right now, is get to minimum retirement age/nest egg and get out before AI becomes the dominant business force.
bondolo
Michael McCune ☮️@jschauma the call is coming from inside the house!
Cass M 🇨🇦 
@jschauma, this was the goal of boomers - remember Freedom 55? Train the next generation and step aside into as early a retirement as possible so younger people can advance. Any grind has an expiry date🤷♀️
Nuwagaba Gift@cass_m
Who benefits more from ghat generation being trained ?
Who benefits more from ghat generation being trained ?
@nuwagaba2 Who do you think benefits?
I always looked at it as a fair exchange since current culture is built on paid labour. So, work for awhile then let someone else get paid for the task. Alternatively any trained person could take their knowledge and create competition.
@cass_m
The younger generation and the rich benefits more. It would be better if everyone benefited equally without anyone benefiting from another person's effort. Can I share with you about my project?
The younger generation and the rich benefits more. It would be better if everyone benefited equally without anyone benefiting from another person's effort. Can I share with you about my project?
@nuwagaba2 when 'freedom 55' was a thing, everyone did benefit because wages covered living expenses and allowed the prudent to save. And if they didn't, the government retirement funding allowed for a reasonable lifestyle of retirement. As a tail-end Boomer I got to save, retire early, help others advance and now I get to volunteer to help people less fortunate than me. Seems fair.
@cass_m
It's indeed fair although you can't find this in my own country. We do our best and extend our hands to support those in greater need than us. Would you mind sharing with you about my project?
It's indeed fair although you can't find this in my own country. We do our best and extend our hands to support those in greater need than us. Would you mind sharing with you about my project?
@nuwagaba2 you should make a thread about your project. I will read it.
@cass_m
It's about fighting hunger in my community, I work with 12 young volunteer farmers to make this a reality by growing food for the needy, educate local farmers with advanced agricultural skills to help them improve on their production as well equip beginner farmers with required tools like seeds , fertilisers and organic pestcides to help them produce the best out of their gardens as well combat climate change through tree planting. Would you like some updates about it?
It's about fighting hunger in my community, I work with 12 young volunteer farmers to make this a reality by growing food for the needy, educate local farmers with advanced agricultural skills to help them improve on their production as well equip beginner farmers with required tools like seeds , fertilisers and organic pestcides to help them produce the best out of their gardens as well combat climate change through tree planting. Would you like some updates about it?
@nuwagaba2 sure, it's amazing what adding green can do for an environment. Solar panels can have a synergistic effect by creating micro climates.