Merlijn Sebrechts
Hannah GraceSometimes, people on Facebook don't know the Fediverse exists.
The European Commission likes to tell them. ๐ ๐
The European Commission likes to tell them. ๐ ๐
Lucien@hpod16 the problem is that the same people that don't know will run into lots of UX issues when trying Fediverse. I know a few sadly...
@lucien
I know, I know...
When I first started (a week ago), I struggled with understanding the federated nature.
But I just put out a post to ask questions, and people explained things to me, and I was amazed with the awesome community out here!
I know, I know...
When I first started (a week ago), I struggled with understanding the federated nature.
But I just put out a post to ask questions, and people explained things to me, and I was amazed with the awesome community out here!
@hpod16 I agree ๐ I ended up on Reddit rabbit holes and documentation pages to learn some things. This user type will however not search and if they can't ask their friends or family for help, they give up.
Still, steps are taken to make this process more user friendly, which is great!
@lucien also, you have to bear in mind that when we reply to public comments, it isn't just for the benefit of the one person who commented, but for anyone else who may be lurking in the comments sections.
And: usually you have to hear about a new product a number of times before you try it out. So, many baby steps, one big goal.
And: usually you have to hear about a new product a number of times before you try it out. So, many baby steps, one big goal.
@hpod16 the world was not built in a day ๐ and there's certainly more interest from EU users these days, which is great!
GunChleoc@lucien @hpod16 Facebook users might also be more comfortable with Friendica rather than Mastodon.
Maybe collaborate with Friendica developers to get a good beginner's guide for Facebook users going?
When working on such a guide, it's always good to have the view of somebody completely new to the software like yourself.
beemoh@gunchleoc @lucien @hpod16 I was going to suggest that Mastodon isn't very Facebook-y in how it works and what it's for (being much more Twitter-y in that regard) and ask if there was anything in that way.
Looks like Frendica is it- thanks for bringing it up!
ltning@beemoh @gunchleoc @lucien @hpod16 May I suggest looking at #Hubzilla too? It seems to be getting at least as much attention, and even a few shillings of EU money(!). It is, as I understand, a fork of an early version of Friendica. It is a very versatile platform. :)
Jupiter Rowland@GunChleoc @GunChleoc @ltning @Hannah Grace @beemoh @Lucien Maybe it's also worth taking a look at (streams) and Forte, both created and still maintained by the same guy who invented Friendica and Hubzilla.
In terms of privacy, security and self-moderation, they're at least on par with Hubzilla, and they're both nomadic like Hubzilla. UX-wise, they're more streamlined, especially permissions settings, and more geared towards today's Fediverse. Their learning curve is somewhere between Friendica and Hubzilla, but mostly because they default towards privacy rather than everything being public.
However, (streams) has only got a very very few public, open-registration servers and not a single working one in Europe at all anymore. It can't be crawled either, so FediDB, Fediverse Observer and FediIndex don't list its servers. And Forte doesn't have any public, open-registration servers whatsoever currently.
Maybe it's also important to know that their code is hosted by Codeberg in Berlin, but the developer is in Australia.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #FacebookAlternatives #FacebookReplacement #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
In terms of privacy, security and self-moderation, they're at least on par with Hubzilla, and they're both nomadic like Hubzilla. UX-wise, they're more streamlined, especially permissions settings, and more geared towards today's Fediverse. Their learning curve is somewhere between Friendica and Hubzilla, but mostly because they default towards privacy rather than everything being public.
However, (streams) has only got a very very few public, open-registration servers and not a single working one in Europe at all anymore. It can't be crawled either, so FediDB, Fediverse Observer and FediIndex don't list its servers. And Forte doesn't have any public, open-registration servers whatsoever currently.
Maybe it's also important to know that their code is hosted by Codeberg in Berlin, but the developer is in Australia.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #FacebookAlternatives #FacebookReplacement #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
Petra van Cronenburg@jupiter_rowland @ltning And this is already much too complicated to understand for the usual FB user! They want to log in, use it intuitively and find masses of people. Even if these parts of the Fediverse might be nice, a big point keeping people on FB are the huge groups.
*_j฿yrope@ltning Works well here, and i can host it myself on a shared host just using git. No bloody extras involved, it's plain php with a database. Mastodon at least can't do that.
ltning (@[email protected])
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Sarah W@gunchleoc @lucien @hpod16
My experience of friendica was awful. Full of dodgy accounts and some very nasty porn. Otherwise the only posts I saw were from Mastodon.
I'm hoping it's improved since.
My experience of friendica was awful. Full of dodgy accounts and some very nasty porn. Otherwise the only posts I saw were from Mastodon.
I'm hoping it's improved since.
LautreG, souvent dans la Lune@Sarahw @gunchleoc @lucien @hpod16
Mainly depending the server you are connected.
We have choice, many choice, and we also can move from one to another, have several accounts, choose clients too.
That is so great.
Mainly depending the server you are connected.
We have choice, many choice, and we also can move from one to another, have several accounts, choose clients too.
That is so great.
@lucien @hpod16 Mastodon is already preparing a better start for newcomers with a help structure. We also have the hashtags fedihelp and askfedi for finding people who help with any questions. And I warmly recommend @FediTips with their great guide https://fedi.tips - easy to understand!
Fedi.TipsIf anyone has any questions about using this place, I'm happy to give direct tech support to them. I'm especially trying to help new and non-technical people.
And as Petra linked above, I've got a website full of non-technical easy-to-understand help at https://fedi.tips
Dmian ๐ช๐บ@hpod16 @lucien One example I like to repeat a lot: imagine that when a channel you follow on YouTube publishes a video, you saw that publication on Twitter. And you could leave comments and give likes directly to that YouTube video from that same Twitter publicationโฆ you can do that on the Fediverse with Mastodon and PeerTube. Thatโs the nature of federated content using a single protocol, but sharing different content on different instances of different services.
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jz.tuskThe Fediverse has a great collection of techies creating the protocols and infrastructure. What we're missing is the folks helping regular people use it.
Hopefully folks like Hannah will start creating that layer. Not just through advocacy, but by hiring staff dedicated to helping people use it.
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hannah aubry@hpod16 @AnachronistJohn @jztusk @hannah @lucien
HANNAHS OF THE FEDIVERSE UNITE!! โค๏ธ
should we do a meetup, like Ryans do?
https://www.ryanmeetup.com/
Dentaku (Thomas Renger)@NatureMC @jztusk @FediFollows @lucien @hpod16
"What we're missing is the folks helping regular people use it."
I have been helping regular people use this place for over five years now, and I'm not the only one doing this! ๐
My website at https://fedi.tips helps new non-technical people get started and I've done a list of links to other helpful sites at https://fedi.tips/what-do-i-do-next-are-there-any-other-guides-to-mastodon-and-the-fediverse
I also provide tech support directly if people have questions.
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Marcin Juszkiewicz ๐
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Martina Neumayer@lucien The fact that Mastodon/Fediverse differs from fb in terms of interface is a big advantage. Fb's UX was made only for one purpose - to make people even more and more addictive from meta products and their algorithms. Mastodon UX is designed pro-user, it is also very friendly in its simplicity. Moreover people can choose from plenty of different apps, ui's, themes, styles etc. And that's the beauty of Fediverse. They have a freedom of choice.
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Mostafa Hussein Omar@hpod16 EU citizen-only .. That is not the fediverse at all. That is a fortress Europe online.
@moftasa
Yeah, what the Commission answered here isn't quite what they asked.
But with a generous reading, still an opportunity to promote the Fediverse.
Yeah, what the Commission answered here isn't quite what they asked.
But with a generous reading, still an opportunity to promote the Fediverse.
I read it like the person who asked wanted a silo while the EU Commission social media people answered with the actually open alternative. Like even if there were Fedi servers that allow only people verified to be EU citizens (or residents), one could still interact with all the world across servers.
Pino Carafa@project1enigma @hpod16 @moftasa The moderators on the proposed EU centric server can be very strict about allowing engagement from the USA. Some USA based servers allow hateful content, others don't. The mods can block entire servers that are lax about allowing such negativity while still allowing engagement from "nice" servers. I imagine the original requester might be okay with that? Otherwise, yes, an EU server *could* be created that blocks literally EVERYTHING that isn't EU.
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@hpod16 Oh, that's cool!
@szkodnix any opportunity to promote Fedi
(Although on second reading I admit that could have been better phrased, they are asking for an EU-only platform and Fedi is global...)
(Although on second reading I admit that could have been better phrased, they are asking for an EU-only platform and Fedi is global...)
@hpod16 Well... Fedi servers can theoretically defederate with some non-EU servers but I'm not sure if that kind of server exists โ
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emilianosandri@hpod16 Lately I'm not happy by much stuff EU championed, especially on the digital world but I love this! Especially because instead of trying and failing to build and push their own solution as governments tends to do they promote a grassroots movement.
Leave X - Protect Democracy@hpod16 you are doing awesome work! ๐ช๐
Darkoneko@darkoneko the social media manager in question may have read over that partโฆ.
In this case I'm not against this kind of answering only half the question tbh.
My online world would be poorer without seeing people from all over the world. Including the cool kind of people from the US.
@project1enigma @hpod16 @darkoneko This! Besides: Somebody on the Fediverse can also make โ in theory โ an instance which only allows "certified citizens" (whatever that means).
Ryek DarkenerAt least one person wanted to know. ;)
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Nelson Lopez@hpod16 was the fediverse created in europe? it's insane to say this when the technology itself is being mantained and expanded by people all around the world, including americans, asians, south americans, africans, etc.
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โ@nelson @hpod16 eh, not really. Sure, misskey is a big part now. But the big initial push was Mastodon. And, by share, Masto still runs on like 3/4 of all servers iirc. And you can still claim that Masto is German because the main driving force behind development is still the non-profit, located in Germany (even if German government bullshit caused them to also register in Canada iirc)
@nelson @hpod16 I think some context might have got lost. Your initial question was if the fediverse was created in Europe. To which the answer is that the protocol wasn't, but the software that made it famous was, especially during that initial growth period.
Of course it's a lot more diverse nowadays and that diversity keeps increasing. One of the biggest seeds was and still is European though
Of course it's a lot more diverse nowadays and that diversity keeps increasing. One of the biggest seeds was and still is European though
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