@left_adjoint As someone who recently got their bachelor: Everything i did was just to get the credit points, then forget everything to make space for the next.

Im sure there is leftover understanding in my brain but thats the thing that is encouraged.

@left_adjoint This. It is educational institutions that have been lazy, by failing to motivate their requirements beyond "do this because you have to".

I have always tried to go beyond, but reached only a small fraction of students, because I was working against years of conditioning. Now even that fraction is at risk.

@left_adjoint The commingling of education and screening really is the tragedy of schools and universities. While education is obviously (part of) their mission, it's much less obvious whether screening also should be. As Zach Weinersmith puts it, "Universities basically provide a free vetting system for companies now".

https://bsky.app/profile/zachweinersmith.bsky.social/post/3lpc3q5l6sk2t

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Kids aren’t stupid, they recognize how the system really works and they adapt to it. If we don’t like it, maybe we shouldn’t build that system.

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Bingo.

The #LLM are not the problem in #education, it's how and what we teach is.
If you think #AI is "cheating", you are actively disabling your students for a world that will already be hard for humans to survive in.

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Also helps one understand our whole economy and consumer environment feeling much the same.

@left_adjoint There are also time constraints. I'd like to read this whole 5000 word article on a subject that interests me, but I have to scan it to answer these essay questions and then move on.

And yes, I will do the minimum if it doesn't interest me.

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This college prof agrees very strongly.

@left_adjoint It doesn't surprise me that, while taking what are effectively business administration classes, I've had professors who are enthusiastically pro-AI. This is Capitalism Class, of course everything is viewed through the most transactional and boring lens possible!

The nice things have come from the other teachers, who know and care about the actual skills of managing a project and coordinating a team.

@left_adjoint exactly, they are interacting with the system exactly as they have been taught to. school is not for education, hasn't been for ages. school is just another thing you do to get something else, in this case a job. in any transaction, you want to put in as little, and get as much out as possible. profit is all that matters. it's a damn shame as it is bad for literally everyone directly involved in the process, from the syllabus designers to the students. shit, it's bad for the business the students will go on to work for.

in the long term, it's bad for everyone, but that doesn't matter because profit is quarterly. long term doesn't exist.

@left_adjoint the schools themselves are an obstacle to learning and opportunity; the LLMs may diminish learning further, but they may also help with the opportunity, and potentially save time that can then be used for more effective learning and/or other pursuits.

It would be great if this leads to changing schools to actually nurture learning and skill-building. Unfortunately I think it will lead to graduates who have less of certain skills right when LLMs become expensive to use

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“do this bullshit, and you get the credentials you need to have a life”

If an LLM is good at a task, chances are the task is bullshit