Elsevier, everyone's favorite copyright maximalist closed-access publisher, argues that their high costs are necessary because they're the arbiter of quality.

The arbiter of quality keeps publishing LLM-written papers. Thanks for making my argument for me, Elsevier! They didn't even read it.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1930043324001298

"In summary, the management of bilateral iatrogenic I'm very sorry, but I don't have access to real-time information or patient-specific data, as I am an AI language model."

@cliffle hopefully they will soon use an IA to read the proposed papers and automatically reject papers written by IAs (and papers about IA, very probably! 😬)
@PH7831 @cliffle great, then the LLMs will start collaborating, how could this go wrong? 😬
@corpsmoderne @PH7831 @cliffle when LLMs both write and review the papers, at least they will technically be peer-reviewed.
@cliffle In case it changes in the future

@Guildz @cliffle

Thanks, I too made a printout, not for public use, but for myself. Just in case I may no longer believe the story myself once they have altered the text! :-)

@Guildz @cliffle that journal cares so little that they even do not bother recalling the article
@cliffle
OMFG the paper is still up!
@echanda @cliffle March 19 (4 days later) and it's STILL there. 🤦🏼‍♂️
@yohannon @echanda @cliffle still there today 4th April 2024.
@mikegolf @echanda @cliffle wow… you’d think after a few weeks someone would have pulled it. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@cliffle I'm not sure if it was that paper but I saw one this week where the very first sentence started something like "Certainly, an argument for ... could start..." in that LLM chatbot style.

The "authors" hadn't even read it, apparently!

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@glc -Elsevier has now changed this other paper, but it looked like this;

@grodin @cliffle

@johncarlosbaez @grodin @cliffle

Yes, I'd seen that at Retraction Watch where it is still visible.

The RW link goes to https://twitter.com/gcabanac/status/1767574447337124290

I stopped cooperating with Elsevier years ago, added Wiley to the list more recently, and had mixed feelings about Springer, but with this in mind I'm done with them as well: https://twitter.com/gcabanac/status/1767574447337124290

We need a completely new model. This is an outmoded system, just rent extraction.

Guillaume Cabanac ⟨here and elsewhere⟩ (@gcabanac) on X

🤖 So #ChatGPT wrote the first sentence of this @ElsevierConnect article. Any other parts of the article too? How come none of the coauthors, Editor-in-Chief, reviewers, typesetters noticed? How can this happen with regular peer-review? https://t.co/C4vX317zYV

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@glc @johncarlosbaez @grodin @cliffle

We can base new journals in the Open Journal System:

http://theoj.org/

Open Journals

@glc @johncarlosbaez @grodin @cliffle

The costs can be around 5 USD / paper.

If considering paying some of the volunteer work it would be something around 100 USD / paper.

https://blog.joss.theoj.org/2019/06/cost-models-for-running-an-online-open-journal

Cost models for running an online open journal | Journal of Open Source Software Blog

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@johncarlosbaez @glc @cliffle that was it!

It's just so brazen to not even double check the opening sentence of something you're trying to pass off as your own. Were they rushing _that much_ to submit??

@cliffle https://pubpeer.com/publications/F93A8D69350BC6B12AB48B132161A7 where in the authors state they uploaded the wrong version by mistake (which absolutely would have been the version that went through peer review), in a manner that looks like their apology was written by chatGPT also
PubPeer - Successful management of an Iatrogenic portal vein and hepat...

There are comments on PubPeer for publication: Successful management of an Iatrogenic portal vein and hepatic artery injury in a 4-month-old female patient: A case report and literature review (2024)

@sideshow_jim @cliffle frankly it just looks like the apology was written by a non native english speaker
@tbodt @cliffle possibly, but based on past performance I'm not sure I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt
@sideshow_jim @cliffle one use of chatgpt is for L2 english speakers to make their writing more "academic" or "proper" or whatever, and i'm fairly sympathetic to that

@cliffle I clicked the link and was immediately asked to prove that I am not a robot.

A world where robots publish medical papers that medical regulators cannot read because the computer thinks we are robots. Truly we live in amazing times.

@cliffle

LOL, whut? Don't they have editors???

@YstradgynlaisYstalyferaHistory @cliffle
No. Editors are costs. Costs are bad for profits. They are a business, so their goal is to maximize profits.

As they have locked up enough of the scientific world under contract, there is no need to deliver “value” or “services” in truth.

@cliffle i thought they didn't even provide quality checks as they pass the burden of peer review on to others

literally the world's most expensive way to host a pdf while reducing scientific access and advancement

@xvrqt @cliffle they probably work like in the French movie "La vérité si je mens" when they scam a big retailer that stole their designs.
Their (fake) office is just a stage and the guy opening the door says "we are everywhere on the net". but as you can see, broken screens. 

@cliffle @Doug_Bostrom

😂 🪑 🍁

Whoops.

Fell out of my chair while chortling.

No.

Part of the reason that pay to play publishers have been so successful— is that their income making tactics are pretty much indistinguishable from “real” publishers.

And don’t get me started on how editors are not serving the role they were designed and or paid to do.

@cliffle Aren't their unpaid peer reviewers the arbiters of quality?
@karabaic @cliffle The reviewers for this "journal" spend just 8 days on each paper.
@robinadams @cliffle You know, god created the world in just 6. Totes doable
@cliffle Here's a screenshot if it suddenly disappears
@cliffle Mother of god, and I bet there are more jewels like this one on other journals ​

@cliffle

Remarkable. I was about to say "remarkable but not surprising", but actually, this is surprising. Whatever is wrong with Elsevier, this is on a different level.

@the_roamer @cliffle Makes me wonder if they've got an LLM running their company now.
@cliffle I thought your quote was a parody. I didn't expect to find that *literal text* in the so-called research paper.

@cliffle they did it again in another paper too, and it happened quite literally in the introduction! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2468023024002402

“Certainly, here is a possible introduction for your topic:Lithium-metal batteries are promising candidates for high-energy-density rechargeable batteries due to their low electrode potentials and high theoretical capacities…”

@cliffle (note, this isn’t my own original discovery)

@cliffle Why shouldn't they do it like this when they once rented a whole bunch of journals to big pharma as marketing platform?

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/merck-elsevier-and-fakery

@cliffle Gobsmacking. This is the second one I've seen from Elsevier in as many days.
@cliffle I would see it by myself, but Elsevier (and Cloudflare) thinks I'm a robot, and who am I to questioning or god forbid, challenge them.
@cliffle To be fair, that one was not behind a paywall. But it also wasn’t quality
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Attached: 1 image The occurrence of a chatbot authoring even a single sentence in an Elsevier article raises questions about the reliability and credibility of conventional peer-review processes. One could argue that such incidents highlight the need for more rigorous scrutiny and quality control measures in scientific publications. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2468023024002402 and this is far from an isolated incident https://scholar.google.fr/scholar?hl=fr&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2023&q=%22certainly%2C+here+is%22+-chatgpt+-llm #machinelearning #science

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