cliffleMar 15, 2024

Elsevier, everyone's favorite copyright maximalist closed-access publisher, argues that their high costs are necessary because they're the arbiter of quality.

The arbiter of quality keeps publishing LLM-written papers. Thanks for making my argument for me, Elsevier! They didn't even read it.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1930043324001298

"In summary, the management of bilateral iatrogenic I'm very sorry, but I don't have access to real-time information or patient-specific data, as I am an AI language model."

Show threadJoseph Cooper

@cliffle I'm not sure if it was that paper but I saw one this week where the very first sentence started something like "Certainly, an argument for ... could start..." in that LLM chatbot style.

The "authors" hadn't even read it, apparently!

Mar 15, 2024 at 6:00pmWeb
Show threadGLCMar 16, 2024

@grodin @cliffle

Not the same one. See #RetractionWatch at https://retractionwatch.com/2024/03/16/weekend-reads-a-paper-written-by-chatgpt-goes-viral-the-gino-misconduct-report-superconductivity-scandal/#more-128938
(first one under "Here's what's happening elsewhere").

Lots going on.

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Show threadJohn Carlos BaezMar 16, 2024

@glc -Elsevier has now changed this other paper, but it looked like this;

@grodin @cliffle

Show threadGLCMar 16, 2024

@johncarlosbaez @grodin @cliffle

Yes, I'd seen that at Retraction Watch where it is still visible.

The RW link goes to https://twitter.com/gcabanac/status/1767574447337124290

I stopped cooperating with Elsevier years ago, added Wiley to the list more recently, and had mixed feelings about Springer, but with this in mind I'm done with them as well: https://twitter.com/gcabanac/status/1767574447337124290

We need a completely new model. This is an outmoded system, just rent extraction.

Guillaume Cabanac ⟨here and elsewhere⟩ (@gcabanac) on X

🤖 So #ChatGPT wrote the first sentence of this @ElsevierConnect article. Any other parts of the article too? How come none of the coauthors, Editor-in-Chief, reviewers, typesetters noticed? How can this happen with regular peer-review? https://t.co/C4vX317zYV

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Show threadNicolás Guarín-ZapataMar 17, 2024

@glc @johncarlosbaez @grodin @cliffle

We can base new journals in the Open Journal System:

http://theoj.org/

Open Journals

Show threadNicolás Guarín-ZapataMar 17, 2024

@glc @johncarlosbaez @grodin @cliffle

The costs can be around 5 USD / paper.

If considering paying some of the volunteer work it would be something around 100 USD / paper.

https://blog.joss.theoj.org/2019/06/cost-models-for-running-an-online-open-journal

Cost models for running an online open journal | Journal of Open Source Software Blog

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Show threadJoseph CooperMar 17, 2024

@johncarlosbaez @glc @cliffle that was it!

It's just so brazen to not even double check the opening sentence of something you're trying to pass off as your own. Were they rushing _that much_ to submit??