On January 24, 1984, Macintosh computers were introduced by Apple. Happy Birthday 🎂 Today, Mac is one of the few certified #Unix machines you can buy easily. Do you use a Mac?

@nixCraft I am too young to remember personally, but the radio feature reminded me of the iconic video ad broadcast during the Superbowl: https://piped.adminforge.de/watch?v=R706isyDrqI

very impressive marketing, even in the early days

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@nixCraft Nope.
Actually macos is unix with gobbledygook.
@nixCraft not as daily driver and only a very old one.
@nixCraft I just now caught that the mouser was a southpaw!
@nixCraft still using Mac, been using since 68K based macs, current is intel based #MacbookPro and my partner has an M2 #macbookair

@nixCraft MacOS is about as much Unix as Windows NT was.

but congratulation to Apple for having the best marketing department in 40 years (well actually they sucked the first many years until they got rebooted).

@kimschulz @nixCraft Mach kernel (a BSD), #FreeBSD userland, it's pure-blood #UNIX and history, unlike Windows NT (a redux of VMS).

Also, #PlayStation4 and up is also FreeBSD userland.

@ShrikeTron
It's a muckery to call it Unix. Apple has completely destroyed all the good things about Unix in it (as Microsoft did with VMS)
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@kimschulz @nixCraft I mean, it couldn't really be any more literally Unix, given that the people in charge of deciding what is Unix keep certifying it as such.
@nixCraft my family uses 2 airs m1 and mini m2. and i have macbook pro from my work. agree, sounds a bit overmaced…
@nixCraft Yep. It's been a long, strange road. So far.
@nixCraft My Mac SE from 1986 still works!
@nixCraft Basically forced to use a Mac for work, but if I could ditch MacOS for Linux completely I would.
@nixCraft WOW! Crazy! 40 years!! ❤️ I loved and love all the Macs I had and still have. Joined the party ca. 2001 with a white G3 based iBook (I think it was the „Dual USB“ model). Never went back to Windows computers since then. Never owned a classic Macintosh, though. Maybe some day I will. Would love to! #Mac #Macintosh

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Yep. While I've been using Windows PCs for work for 25+ years, at home my current main machine (typing on right now) is an M1 MacBook Air, but I also still use my 2011 iMac all the time - it just keeps on going.

@nixCraft was unfortunate enough to be forced to a MacBook by an employer once. Really tried to like it but it's an awful device from hardware to software. Very happy on Linux these days especially on #archLinux and #nixOs :)
@wraptile @nixCraft I went to a unix conference once where almost everyone was using MacBooks. When I returned, I begged and pleaded and made a big stink about needing one for work, and eventually my request was granted. Turned out, I didn't really like it, and I ended up giving it back so someone else could use it.

@nixCraft Yes. 🙂

But… the original macOS (I forgot how it was spelled), the one with the nice ad, was definitively not UNIX. And the current macOS does not really care about UNIX anymore, it’s just that NextStep used to build on BSD.
Is it UNIX certified? No idea, but if true, this just tells you how irrelevant such a certificate is today: The overwhelmingly important unixoid platform is Linux, and it does not feel like a Unix certificate is important to Linux, at all. 🤷‍♂️🙂

@nixCraft Amendment: Certificates are important in corporate environments, mostly to guarantee (on a legal level) something works as expected. Insofar it might be very relevant to have a sticker yelling „hey, corpo/gov purchasing department, you won’t get fired for buying me“. It doesn’t really say much about how important the certified feature is to manufacturer or client. Anybody remembers those awkward unix compatibility products for Windows? 😁

@ketchup71 @nixCraft To answer your question, it has been fully UNIX certified and interoperable since Mac OS X 10.5 in 2007. https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3555.htm

Fink, homebrew, and Apple remain hugely influential for *nix FOSS.

Open Brand

@Vorsos Thanks. Even if there was no question. 😉😊

They are influential, yes. But if I look around: their priorities are elsewhere. For example: Solutions for large scale installations may be developed on Mac’s, but are targeting Linux and Windows. And your web shop may be design on a Mac, but runs on Linux.

Anyway, I still like my Mac. 😁

@nixCraft I've been using Macs for 20 years. I also have Linux and Win boxes, but my M1 Macbook is my main driver - it just works and is a joy to take on the road with me

@nixCraft Picked up the brochures, still deciding.

Just kidding, must have owned four Imacs over the years.

@nixCraft wrote my first book on one of these while living in a dorm room at Eastern New Mexico University.

@nixCraft I was thrilled with the Lisa, but knew I could never afford one. My friend said, “Come back in a couple of weeks.” I saw the Macintosh a few days after it came out and started scheming how to buy one.

By the end of March, I picked up my first real computer (I built a Heathkit terminal the year before).

@nixCraft The Mac is old enough to start listening to Steely Dan.
@nixCraft Soon after that date, I remember using that Mac for the first time to compose and print out a short paragraph. The 5 minute job took 20 minutes as I selected typefaces and composed the look of the page.
Afterward, I was disgusted that I had fallen into the trap and form had become more important than substance.
I now use a Mac, but my opinion has not changed over the years. 🙄​
@nixCraft Sorry, I never had a Mac; I've always used PCs.
@nixCraft @DocCarms I bought a Macintosh in 1988 with my student discount. I couldn’t afford a printer, so I would take my floppy disk to the campus computer center to print my papers. Since then I’ve had a couple MacBooks and several PCs. Now I’m running Linux on a Thinkpad.

@nixCraft Used once or twice and could never get on with them.

I was given an iPad and would have preferred an Android tablet.

I gather they are popular though.

@nixCraft I still gave my first computer—a 1985 MacPlus. I don’t use it but haven’t been able to part with it. It was a game changer in so many ways especially for music composition.

@nixCraft engage flame war 🔥🔥🔥
I love using a Mac. Apple put that last 10% effort into making things simple and good looking for those that appreciate it. Linux desktop will just never get that. All my Linux boxes are headless.

My desktop has two iTerm terminals open and filling the screen for most of the day, but the UI apps that I do use are really well made.

It took me 15+ years to switch from Linux desktop to Mac, and I still have no regrets.

@nixCraft September 1985 with a 128k. 2nd year of University. It was great!
@nixCraft Been using one since 1986! (Mac Plus)
@nixCraft @dogzilla every day for the last 23 years.
@nixCraft never! Its so locked down even the most secure prison would be nothing compared to a mac.
@nixCraft Bought one they introduced it. If Apple put today's hardware in that shell, I'd buy one. Call it the iMac Heritage.

@nixCraft I use a Mac at work. I hate it. Even though it has a lovely (mostly) command line that I do much of my work from, I would still MUCH rather have a Windows machine. (and probably a Linux VM on it.)

The hardware is great. The Unix underpinnings are great. The user interface is still stuck in 1984.

Apple when they realize that fancy effects don't matter for shit when you can't even do basic stuff like window tiling

@tetra @swordgeek It's definitely about time they got rid of the ancient MacOS UX.

It was a crutch at the time to help migrate OS9 users, but it's now an anachronism with a single-app menu bar stuck to the top of the screen on a 4K 32" screen that's unable to multitask multiple app windows simultaneously.

Even NeXTStep's UX is still better at this.

@ShrikeTron @tetra Oh hey, that's easy to fix. For each feature you want, there's a 3rd party app available for $5-$15.

@nixCraft

I've got an original Macintosh I bought for my mother in 1984, in its original box, which I unboxed and booted in June 2023. It seems to work, though it has trouble ejecting the disc.

@[email protected] Try replacing the floppy drive belt
@nixCraft Just picked up a new M3 Pro MBP today. My ninth Mac, not counting the PowerMac 6100 and Mac IIe I used at work in the 1990s.
@nixCraft Nope, glad they exist but too controlled and closed of a system for me.
@wemo @nixCraft Apple is literally the IBM in that 1984 commercial these days.
@nixCraft @patrice Yes I do. Worked in Bell Laboratories in 1980’s, inventors of Unix, learned the OS and C at the same time, used that knowledge for rest of my career. Switched to Mac in 2009 with Mac Pro and Mac mini, was glad to be using Unix again 🙂