@nixCraft I am too young to remember personally, but the radio feature reminded me of the iconic video ad broadcast during the Superbowl: https://piped.adminforge.de/watch?v=R706isyDrqI
very impressive marketing, even in the early days
@nixCraft MacOS is about as much Unix as Windows NT was.
but congratulation to Apple for having the best marketing department in 40 years (well actually they sucked the first many years until they got rebooted).
@kimschulz @nixCraft Mach kernel (a BSD), #FreeBSD userland, it's pure-blood #UNIX and history, unlike Windows NT (a redux of VMS).
Also, #PlayStation4 and up is also FreeBSD userland.
Of course!
Yep. While I've been using Windows PCs for work for 25+ years, at home my current main machine (typing on right now) is an M1 MacBook Air, but I also still use my 2011 iMac all the time - it just keeps on going.
@nixCraft Yes. 🙂
But… the original macOS (I forgot how it was spelled), the one with the nice ad, was definitively not UNIX. And the current macOS does not really care about UNIX anymore, it’s just that NextStep used to build on BSD.
Is it UNIX certified? No idea, but if true, this just tells you how irrelevant such a certificate is today: The overwhelmingly important unixoid platform is Linux, and it does not feel like a Unix certificate is important to Linux, at all. 🤷♂️🙂
@ketchup71 @nixCraft To answer your question, it has been fully UNIX certified and interoperable since Mac OS X 10.5 in 2007. https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3555.htm
Fink, homebrew, and Apple remain hugely influential for *nix FOSS.
@Vorsos Thanks. Even if there was no question. 😉😊
They are influential, yes. But if I look around: their priorities are elsewhere. For example: Solutions for large scale installations may be developed on Mac’s, but are targeting Linux and Windows. And your web shop may be design on a Mac, but runs on Linux.
Anyway, I still like my Mac. 😁
@nixCraft Picked up the brochures, still deciding.
Just kidding, must have owned four Imacs over the years.
@nixCraft I was thrilled with the Lisa, but knew I could never afford one. My friend said, “Come back in a couple of weeks.” I saw the Macintosh a few days after it came out and started scheming how to buy one.
By the end of March, I picked up my first real computer (I built a Heathkit terminal the year before).
@nixCraft Used once or twice and could never get on with them.
I was given an iPad and would have preferred an Android tablet.
I gather they are popular though.
@nixCraft engage flame war 🔥🔥🔥
I love using a Mac. Apple put that last 10% effort into making things simple and good looking for those that appreciate it. Linux desktop will just never get that. All my Linux boxes are headless.
My desktop has two iTerm terminals open and filling the screen for most of the day, but the UI apps that I do use are really well made.
It took me 15+ years to switch from Linux desktop to Mac, and I still have no regrets.
@nixCraft I use a Mac at work. I hate it. Even though it has a lovely (mostly) command line that I do much of my work from, I would still MUCH rather have a Windows machine. (and probably a Linux VM on it.)
The hardware is great. The Unix underpinnings are great. The user interface is still stuck in 1984.
@tetra @swordgeek It's definitely about time they got rid of the ancient MacOS UX.
It was a crutch at the time to help migrate OS9 users, but it's now an anachronism with a single-app menu bar stuck to the top of the screen on a 4K 32" screen that's unable to multitask multiple app windows simultaneously.
Even NeXTStep's UX is still better at this.
I've got an original Macintosh I bought for my mother in 1984, in its original box, which I unboxed and booted in June 2023. It seems to work, though it has trouble ejecting the disc.