@rameshgupta @jens @siderea @Bam

"is email dead?"
it's very obvious that you've never set up your own mailserver, because even with strict SPF/DKIM/DMARC gmail/outlook can (and does very frequently) just decide to not accept your emails.

XMPP died after google talk/facebook did EEE.

those who don't know history are bound to repeat it.

(also very ironic coming from the largest mastodon instance)

also, no, a company who facilitated a genocide does not have the right to exist.

⬆️ The #techTribalism continues

>> very obvious that you've never set up your own mailserver

>> You sound like a #Gmail user ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111596911345981437

>> Instead of calling historically founded concerns "fearmongering", why don't you just please stop? ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111599758879852628

The linked story https://www.fromjason.xyz/p/notebook/the-medium-is-the-message-threads-isn-t-a-win-for-the-fediverse/ makes the same mistake, partitioning #techies & #normies without allowing for overlaps

#Fediverse never needed #Meta at all, it says

@lena @jens @siderea @Bam
@pauliehedron
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⬆️ #Fediverse never needed #Meta in the same sense it never needed #Twitter at all

But #Fedi has been around for a while and it was not on #normies' radar until #Musk fucked up #Twitter

Mastodon saw a consequent boost of unimaginable magnitude simply from refugees fleeing Twitter, not because "federated social media" was a #movement in itself as the article insinuates.

The dichotomy between #normies and #techies is facile, ofc, as I straddle both.

@lena @jens @siderea @Bam @pauliehedron
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⬆️ Is email dead?

When 3+ B email messages are exchanged planet-wide, more than 2/3 of which are non-#GMail, then it is far from dead

Whether one has set up an email server is irrelevant. Admins are minuscule portion of users who actually keep email alive

#Mastodon’s strong anti-corporate narrative resonated with people… All it had to do was nothing— bide its time…and wait for some of Twitter’s quarter billion users to come ➡️ https://www.fromjason.xyz/p/notebook/the-medium-is-the-message-threads-isn-t-a-win-for-the-fediverse/

@lena @jens @siderea @Bam @pauliehedron

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⬆️ So, setting up a server is hard. So what? That's work that has to be done.

With #Threads, "users may feel a familiarity that #Mastodon cannot #COMPETE with.

That goes to the heart of #competitionAnxiety, which someone first expressed puzzlement with, and when explained what it meant, just deadpanned "I understand well enough what competition anxiety is, and it's not a term that applies even"

We cannot solve a problem until we acknowledge what it is

@lena @jens @siderea @Bam @pauliehedron
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First step to solving a problem is to identify the problem.

Vague fears around the lowest tiers of the tech stack aint it.

Difficulty of setting up email systems aint it.

Separating users into #techies and #normies aint it.

Treating #Fedi and #Mastodon as a #movement without acknowledging the presence and contributions of users aint it.

Insulting users who have clearly identified themselves to be on YOUR side and telling them to go away, aint it.

@lena @jens @siderea @Bam @pauliehedron

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>> XMPP died after google talk/facebook did EEE.

Middle E is almost always focused on users' needs above tech devs' & admin's needs.

#XMPP died because superior tech superseded it ➡️ https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/google-moves-away-from-the-xmpp-open-messaging-standard/

Unlike text-based #XML underpinnings of XMPP, iMessage is based on superior proprietary binary protocol #APN

Even #Google begged #Apple to support #RCS 🙂

After spurning it for a long time, Apple is set to welcome RCS without #fear of #EEE

@jens @siderea @Bam @pauliehedron

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⬆️ @lena
>>>> XMPP died after google talk/facebook did EEE.

>> Middle E [Extend] is almost always focused on users' needs above tech devs' & admin's needs.

The Last E [Extinguish] is almost always the result of failure to #compete.

It is this #competitionAnxiety that has some in the #Mastodon community tied up in knots.

Nothing else.

@jens @siderea @Bam @pauliehedron