Is email dead? Is the Web dead? Are Linux/Unix dead?
Email might be dying because of other superseding technologies like mobile texting, but not because of Gmail shenanigans
You are throwing a fit over #competitionAnxiety.
If Threads does embrace AP, it will need to work with W3C to extend it before it can extinguish it. So where’s the problem?
I don’t have any #Meta account, and am not going to create a #Threads account, but they have #RightToExist next to #Mastodon
@rameshgupta @jens @siderea @Bam
"is email dead?"
it's very obvious that you've never set up your own mailserver, because even with strict SPF/DKIM/DMARC gmail/outlook can (and does very frequently) just decide to not accept your emails.
XMPP died after google talk/facebook did EEE.
those who don't know history are bound to repeat it.
(also very ironic coming from the largest mastodon instance)
also, no, a company who facilitated a genocide does not have the right to exist.
⬆️ The #techTribalism continues
>> very obvious that you've never set up your own mailserver
>> You sound like a #Gmail user ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111596911345981437
>> Instead of calling historically founded concerns "fearmongering", why don't you just please stop? ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111599758879852628
The linked story https://www.fromjason.xyz/p/notebook/the-medium-is-the-message-threads-isn-t-a-win-for-the-fediverse/ makes the same mistake, partitioning #techies & #normies without allowing for overlaps
#Fediverse never needed #Meta at all, it says
⬆️ #Fediverse never needed #Meta in the same sense it never needed #Twitter at all
But #Fedi has been around for a while and it was not on #normies' radar until #Musk fucked up #Twitter
Mastodon saw a consequent boost of unimaginable magnitude simply from refugees fleeing Twitter, not because "federated social media" was a #movement in itself as the article insinuates.
The dichotomy between #normies and #techies is facile, ofc, as I straddle both.
⬆️ Is email dead?
When 3+ B email messages are exchanged planet-wide, more than 2/3 of which are non-#GMail, then it is far from dead
Whether one has set up an email server is irrelevant. Admins are minuscule portion of users who actually keep email alive
#Mastodon’s strong anti-corporate narrative resonated with people… All it had to do was nothing— bide its time…and wait for some of Twitter’s quarter billion users to come ➡️ https://www.fromjason.xyz/p/notebook/the-medium-is-the-message-threads-isn-t-a-win-for-the-fediverse/
@lena @jens @siderea @Bam @pauliehedron
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⬆️ So, setting up a server is hard. So what? That's work that has to be done.
With #Threads, "users may feel a familiarity that #Mastodon cannot #COMPETE with.
That goes to the heart of #competitionAnxiety, which someone first expressed puzzlement with, and when explained what it meant, just deadpanned "I understand well enough what competition anxiety is, and it's not a term that applies even"
We cannot solve a problem until we acknowledge what it is
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First step to solving a problem is to identify the problem.
Vague fears around the lowest tiers of the tech stack aint it.
Difficulty of setting up email systems aint it.
Separating users into #techies and #normies aint it.
Treating #Fedi and #Mastodon as a #movement without acknowledging the presence and contributions of users aint it.
Insulting users who have clearly identified themselves to be on YOUR side and telling them to go away, aint it.
⬆️ @lena
>> XMPP died after google talk/facebook did EEE.
Middle E is almost always focused on users' needs above tech devs' & admin's needs.
#XMPP died because superior tech superseded it ➡️ https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/google-moves-away-from-the-xmpp-open-messaging-standard/
Unlike text-based #XML underpinnings of XMPP, iMessage is based on superior proprietary binary protocol #APN
Even #Google begged #Apple to support #RCS 🙂
After spurning it for a long time, Apple is set to welcome RCS without #fear of #EEE
@jens @siderea @Bam @pauliehedron
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⬆️ @lena
>>>> XMPP died after google talk/facebook did EEE.
>> Middle E [Extend] is almost always focused on users' needs above tech devs' & admin's needs.
The Last E [Extinguish] is almost always the result of failure to #compete.
It is this #competitionAnxiety that has some in the #Mastodon community tied up in knots.
Nothing else.
⬆️ #lena@treehouse.systems
>> those who don't know history are bound to repeat it
She said, before blocking me
>> bad faith bullshit posts about "innovation" … without answering anything (& proving me right… never had to deal with hosting your own shit)…
It's #competitionAnxiety => fear of being #extinguished.
It's the #UserExperience.
It's not the job of corps to make it easier for you to host "your own shit" but to attract & keep #USERS on their platform
⬆️ Sorry if you feel spammed, but it's worth clarifying:
Look at evolution of proprietary #AppleSilicon that EXTENDED #ARM architecture for more than 16 years. Is ARM dead?
ARM struck #ALLIANCES with corps large & small (#RaspberryPi), continues to innovate, & thrive
Look to Singapore, Doha, Dubai
Look at top of stack #UX, instead of just bottom #protocols, to differentiate, attract, & keep USERS on #Mastodon
Thx
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I'm ready, willing, and able to help with open source #Mastodon clients for #iPhone, #iPad, #MacOS — I'm biased toward modern #Swift, #SwiftUI, #SwiftData, more than legacy codebases.
Any takers? Any recommendations on which app to help?
#Twitter refugee who made the #MastodonAscent 6 mo ago. I've never had any #Meta, #FB, #IG account, & I don't intend to create a #Threads account
Heavily invested in Mastodon, I'd be sad to see it succumb to EEE
@rameshgupta @lena @jens @siderea @Bam @pauliehedron
Tell me you don't run your own mailserver without telling me you don't run your own mailserver... 🙄
*Setting up* an email server is not hard these days, it's just mildly complex. Jumping through all the DMARC/DKIM/SPF hoops is moderately difficult, but well documented. Neither of these are the problem.
Getting Gmail not to keep arbitrarily filing my inbound mails to their users in spam, with no explanation or recourse, despite me jumping through every one of their documented hoops, is *fucking impossible*. That's not a fear or a concern, it's a fact.
This is why I believe Threads is a threat to the Mastodon ecosystem. What is there to stop Meta from attempting a similar death-by-a-thousand-papercuts to get people to leave Mastodon for Threads?
(I'm not on Facebook or Threads. I accepted long ago that I wouldn't get to fully participate in my less-technical friends' and family's online lives because of it. But I'm not Meta's target demographic here - the Twitter refugees who came to Mastodon only after Twitter became an ad-laden Nazi cesspool are. And, by extension, any of their friends who *are* willing to make the access/surveillance&monetization tradeoff...)
Ramesh #NotGoingBack
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