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Casey NewtonEmbarrassed by how much I miss Twitter's quote-tweet feature on here. It was mostly used for evil but I tried to use it for good!!
andrei@caseynewton now that a lot of clients have inline previews of links, I just started using them as un-official quote tweets…
Brian Hawthorne@andreiludv @caseynewton Except using links breaks on most mobile apps, as the links go to the web interface for the original user’s instance. Just use reply with the distribution set to Public.
@bhawthorne @caseynewton hm, thanks for letting me know because all of the ones I’ve tried (metatext, tooot, and ivory) open it like you would a quote-tweet. only the official mastodon app opened them in web interface in my usage
Andy Kaplan-Myrth@bhawthorne @andreiludv @caseynewton Better yet, reply with the distribution set to public, and then boost your own reply. Like... this.
@andykm @bhawthorne @caseynewton but sometimes the point of quoting is to immediately show the toot of another person with a comment from you. replying and boosting doesn’t quite provide that functionality within the feed
@andykm @bhawthorne @caseynewton they really should just add quote-toots tbh. I also wish that @Mastodon would add at least ability to add “priority” people: those whose toots you definitely want to see first when you open the app. kinda like @overcastfm with the priority podcasts inside the playlist…
Ian VS@andreiludv You can get something like that if you add alerts to particular people you want to be sure to not miss.
@IanVS i know but that’s not quite the same. your notifications feed should not become a second home feed… and it does not solve the issues that currently exist with the home feed and will become more obvious later: while people are figuring out who to follow/or who else to follow out of the recently joined, the main timeline becomes a bit unusable with an overwhelming amount of content that is not always relevant. which will lead to lower retention&return of users…
Mazal 
@andreiludv @andykm @bhawthorne @caseynewton @Mastodon @overcastfm there's a "featured profile" and "featured hashtag" function that i haven't been able to get to work or even see what it does. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@andreiludv @andykm @bhawthorne @caseynewton @Mastodon @overcastfm
#lists achieve this for me and is an elegant solution, imo.
jaymerryfield 
@caseynewton On mobile, a quick halfway shortcut to doing this is hitting share on a post, sharing it via your Mastodon app of choice, and then adding your own commentary. Gets you part of the way to a proper quote tweet!
alguma coisa na água@jaymerryfield
I would quote boost that if I could
I would quote boost that if I could
Oscar Bazaldua@caseynewton it was too much power for us pesky humans 😔
Comfortably Numb@caseynewton sometimes when I really really want to QT something I just copy/paste a link to the toot in question. Not the same, but at least approximates
H@caseynewton can you post the link in your reply and it show up?
Kyle@caseynewton If you are using it for good, as a “yes, and” function, I will just comment and then boost the OP.
Carl Heath@caseynewton I agree Casey. I miss it for writing, but enjoy the lack of it for reading and experiencing. It also is a reminder of how important design is for experience of social media. The experience of a linear feed with no adds is amazing I think. Along with the possibility of exploring servers. Having a local feed for ones server can mean a lot if engaging in a server of a specific population.
mintmich@carl @caseynewton yes, exactly what I thought.... But how do I visit another server) community?
@mintmich @caseynewton I guess the easiest way is to have several accounts, where you explore different use cases. One account for your knitting community and the other for your electric cars. ;)
Elizabeth@carl @mintmich @caseynewton Wouldn't lists accomplish this without having to switch between accounts? I need to experiment with them.
Sierra Madre@mintmich @carl @caseynewton the easiest way I’ve found to visit another server is to open a web browser and type the server name in the address bar no additional acct required:
Ex.
Mas.to
Mastodon.world
Default view is explore. You can see posts, trending hashtags, and news.
From the side bar, you can tap to view the local and federated TLs
Also some 3rd party apps let you sign into multiple servers, but you have to create separate accounts.
Jacob Michelsen@smadre75 @mintmich @carl @caseynewton Browsing other servers’ local timelines is one of my favorite aspects of Mastodon! Sadly quite a few seem to hide those unless you have an account.
I just wanted to add that there are apps such as Toot! and Metatext that will indeed let you add and browse those servers without having an account, if their local timeline is public. At least Toot! lets you interact with them using your other signed in accounts.
@smadre75 @mintmich @carl @caseynewton as @anchel suggested, it would be great with a Tweetdeck-like interface that let you add local timelines of other servers as columns. Has anyone here run into such an app yet?
@Jickelsen @smadre75 @mintmich @caseynewton @anchel the people at tweetdeck are working on it, called @ivory
Anchel@carl @Jickelsen @smadre75 @mintmich @caseynewton @ivory Ah, got excited for a moment, but I see it's only for Mac OS?
@Jickelsen @smadre75 @carl @caseynewton @anchel
Ah! There's the same question directed at @Gargron over at Reddit. Official answer: Servers are not supposed to be communities, a pan-server group feature is in the pipeline..
a few others chiming in. #tooot apparently knows? Haven't seen it yet.
Here's the Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/zqfr4h/ama_with_eugen_rochko_founder_and_lead_developer/j11udes/?context=3
AMA with Eugen Rochko, Founder and lead developer of Mastodon, a decentralized, open-source social media platform based on open web protocols. Ask your questions here!
Are there plans to allow 'how many time a toot has been favorited' to be used as a sort criteria? If not, why was the decision taken to not use...
@Jickelsen @mintmich @carl @caseynewton @anchel Yes! There’s a 3rd party app for #mastodon called ‘TheDesk’ with a tweetdeck like interface that allows you to add multiple columns. The interface isn’t as aesthetically pleasing as some other, but it def allows for a lot of flexibility. It’s for Mac and PC https://thedesk.top/en/
It's what I also did. On mobile though, it's not that East... And there should be a bookmark feature for servers/communities.
The current situation is more of a hack than a feature situation
the roamer"I miss it as a writer but I enjoy its absence as a reader"
--- brilliant.
That really is the deeper cultural rationale for a no-QT policy: it respects the reader (of the original post) over the writer (of the reply).
The lack of QT forces the writer of the reply to be more of a reader of the original post. Therein lies the source of true dialogue. Be a reader first.
@the_roamer @caseynewton indeed! Im thinking anout the fact that we have two ears, and one mouth. That should mean we should listen at least twice as much as we talk. Listen with intent and purpose. As a reader, understanding the intention of the writer, enables so much deeper dialogue. And providing tech tools that support such affordances is very valuable.
Peter Butler@caseynewton Yes, I bought into the whole no-quote-tweeting vibe, but I miss it as well for commentary and added context.
My biggest use case is when I want to share a link someone posted, but I want to add more than what they write. Now, I guess I just steal the link, post it myself and give a h/t.
Alaric Aloor🐕🏎⚽️🥃#JohnMastodon making dunking inordinately hard....lolllll...
Copy the original post or take a screen and then tag the OP......
Chaos@alaric exactly. Not that hard. And serves as an impediment to impulse dunks
Ian Ragsdale@caseynewton I saw a good proposal to make it controllable by the original poster, so that they can control whether or not a given post can be quote tweeted. I think something along those lines could end up working well.
Per AxbomInteresting, I find that copying and pasting the link to a post is quick and easy enough if I ever want to share someone else's post in that way.
aethervision 
@caseynewton The conversation to apply it here is really interesting. I have little use for it myself, always seemed a bit “And another thing” which moves into a more performative style of interaction. But I’m glad that @Gargron has sounded more open to it for the “call and response” aspect other communities want.
Craig Newmark@caseynewton Yeah, I think I'd like quote-tweet, always used it to promote others' work, or, comedy
Rob MillerI haven't yet seen any actual data verifying that QTs caused more harm than good, or that removing them causes significant reduction in harassment and abuse. I'm 100% behind removing them even though I miss them personally if that's actually true, but so far I see a lot of folks asserting that to be so w/o any evidence.
If anyone who happens to see this has info one way or the other I'd love to hear about it, please and thank you!
llimllib@nonsequitarian @craignewmark @caseynewton what form of data could actually answer your question? It's an aesthetic decision, isn't it?
@llimllib @craignewmark @caseynewton
Looking through replies to Casey's post I see phrases such as "Given the quote tweet was disproportionately used for harm..." and "I know the main use case was dunks..." The folks saying these things believe them, but are they true?
It's an honest question. I can def imagine that the negative effects of QTs (esp w engagement driven algorithmss) far outweigh the positive, I have no reason to doubt it. But I haven't yet seen any evidence to support it.
@nonsequitarian @craignewmark @caseynewton I believe you that it's an honest question! My point is just that it's not reasonable to ask for data to support an aesthetic decision.
Any metric you would use for "causes harm" is arbitrary and will swing your answer - you could convince the data to give you any answer you wanted.
My opinion is that you can only make the judgement based on aesthetics, appealing to data won't help you
@llimllib @craignewmark @caseynewton
Have to disagree with you there. All features can be potentially used to abuse or harass, and all abuse mitigation will be imperfect. If someone is seriously interested in dealing with these issues at scale, it's absolutely critical to have metrics to track whether the measures are working. Doing this well is an incredibly difficult problem, for reasons you mention, and (again) it will always be imperfect. But not doing it at all is an abdication of duty.
Mikko Alasaarela@nonsequitarian @craignewmark @caseynewton we don't even need a quote toot, we only need to display a full preview of the linked toot when added to another toot. This would be a simple fix in the absence of QT functionality.
John Wilson@nonsequitarian @craignewmark @caseynewton
Some groups (activists of all kinds) use this power to effect change and bring attention to people being abused by those in power.
Some groups of people are the regular recipients of quote tweet attcks and bad faith outrage at taking tweets out of context. I don’t have “data” (what would it even look like) but I’ve heard from plenty of trans folks who have suffered harm from a weaponized quote tweet dogpile
@crazybutable @craignewmark @caseynewton
Of course! If removing QTs have a significant impact on the abuse that targeted people suffer, I'm 100% for it. But "QTs are used as a vector for abuse" and "removing QTs reduces abuse" are not the same statement.
I'm not on a crusade to add QTs to Mastodon, and I'm not asking these questions to sell people on the idea. It's not that big a deal to me, honestly. I'm just curious if we actually know that removing QTs leads to reduced harassment.
lakelady@crazybutable @nonsequitarian @craignewmark @caseynewton
My question is with stronger community engagement in moderation here in the fediverse would these attacks be more quickly reported and the bad actors removed from the community? From everything I've read about most of the fediverse this is how it should work.