Marco ArmentDec 14, 2022

People with multiple Apple Watches for testing or sleep or whatever:

How do you reliably prevent the “other” one (at a given time) from sounding your daily wake-up alarm from your iPhone?

This “Push Alerts from iPhone” setting in Watch -> Clock is off for both watches, but sometimes, the “other” watch sounds the alarm anyway.

Show threadMarco Arment

This looks like the answer!

Watch -> Sleep -> Don’t use this Watch for Sleep

Thanks, @captainslim !

https://infosec.exchange/@captainslim/109512751562435199

Chris Johnson (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image @[email protected] I have two watches, one of which I wear to sleep. I select Don’t use this Watch for Sleep in Sleep settings in the Watch app on the non-sleep one.

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Dec 14, 2022 at 3:52pmIvory for iOS
Show threadMarco ArmentDec 14, 2022
(Also, I don’t want to get into a whole thing, but this is a common situation — asking a question, and wanting to share the answer with commentary and thanks — in which I really miss quote-tweeting.)
Show threadshauny Dec 14, 2022

@marcoarment

You can try editing the original post - everyone who boosted it is notified, and you won't keep getting answers to a question you've already solved!

Show threadJari PennanenDec 14, 2022

@marcoarment Quote toots can be implemented purely in a client. Commenting a link, like you just did, is in effect a quote toot.

Client can even "unwrap" links to toots and make them appear with content and buttons etc. It's already supported in API and protocol.

Show threadBrian Gerfort🇺🇦Dec 14, 2022
@Ciantic But the point of quoting is to make it easy for readers to see the context. The problem is not really solved if it only works on some clients.
Show threadTodd JordanDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment What I've been told but was never a victim of is piling on for posts with hate. One guy finds a post and links out to it for his hate group to pile on. <my simplistic understanding> I'm not sure by just putting a link it's not the same thing.
Show threadNoah Mittman Dec 14, 2022
@marcoarment what you did worked just fine! we got it
Show threadJohn VoorheesDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment 💯
Show threadJemal Cole Loves Each of YouDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment people against QTs need to get over themselves.
Show threadAnthony AllisonDec 14, 2022
@[email protected] I'm still figuring out if living without reposts at all is good thing or not, since I'm trying to just follow Mastodon posts inside Micro.blog.
Show threadDerek P. CollinsDec 14, 2022

@marcoarment Genuinely curious: what’s the argument against being able to quote a post?

#Mastodon

Show threadJiří Fiala Total LandscapingDec 14, 2022
@derekpcollins @marcoarment QTs are seen as snark boosters. They are used mainly for ironic comments. Not always of course, but it's one of the decisions against virality.
Show threadDerek P. CollinsDec 14, 2022
@stooovie @marcoarment Got it — thank you!
Show threadJohn GordonDec 14, 2022

@marcoarment Absolutely. I think Mastodon boss may have dug in their heels on this. Maybe clients can do something.

We would benefit from quote toots with default of author notification off and no counts/ratios.

Show threadCabinet 20 🌱 Dec 14, 2022
@marcoarment I miss quote tweeting as well.
Show threadCasey LissDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment I understand the justification for not allowing quote toots but I think it’s doing more bad than good
Show threadRhett RogersDec 14, 2022
@caseyliss @marcoarment I mean there is no harm in just sharing the link to the post in your post. I have seen a few iOS apps handle those in app instead of booting you to the browser.
Show threadPhilip Mallegol-HansenDec 14, 2022
@caseyliss @marcoarment The beauty of OSS is that it’s possible for someone to come up with an implementation that does allow it, and then we can all decide whether to pursue that fork or not.
Show threadsanguishDec 15, 2022

@philip @caseyliss @marcoarment unless it gets pulled into the main project and clients support it well, it has no chance.

Not even considering that that one oddball fork needs to do maintenance for we to support it.

Show threadRaineer  🦆Dec 14, 2022

@caseyliss @marcoarment You're not alone in this, many of us pushed back at the dev team.

In the end, the genesis of Mastodon was strongly (almost wholly) driven by marginalized groups - and they saw it used much much more for hate than good.

I think an app will come along that will implement it client-side and that will be that. Maybe bug Paul Haddad enough and it'll find its way.

Show threadJon KitDec 14, 2022
@caseyliss @marcoarment I don’t see it much in tech twitter but in sports twitter almost all of the QTs I see are for people to “dunk” on someone, not someone adding anything to a conversation.
Show threadTae KimDec 14, 2022
@jonkit @caseyliss @marcoarment I agree with no system integrated QT philosophy to tamp down on incentivizing performative toxic behavior. Occasionally when I would like to QT, I just screenshot the post and attach it.
Show thread[email protected] has movedDec 14, 2022
@caseyliss @marcoarment I’m enjoying the lack of them. When back in Twitter land it’s apparent they take up the majority of my timeline and a lot of screen space with it. Think the vast majority could be a reply but they’re not because they either want to dunk on original, or because algorithm seems to favour them above replies so if you want to be seen you’re encouraged to use them over there.
Show threadGen X-WingDec 14, 2022

@caseyliss @marcoarment I jumped off the Twitter train so long ago that this whole conversation just feels alien to me. It’s like I jumped into the middle of season 3 of a show:)

I’m wondering if people are missing a habit or a feature. I honestly can’t tell.

Show threadAbhi Beckert 🇺🇦Dec 15, 2022
@breadbin @caseyliss @marcoarment My perspective is this is like a knife. Billions of people use knives for good every day. A relatively insignificant number use them for evil. We don't ban knives, instead we ban specific uses of them. I think if someone uses the feature to bully or harass, they shouldn't be allowed on mastadon at all (or at least not on any instance that fedarates with the one I'm on).
Show threadallintensiveporpoisesDec 14, 2022
@caseyliss @marcoarment why not screenshot with a link to the original? Definitely not as convenient, but I feel like it gets us most of the way there.
Show threadNoah Mittman Dec 14, 2022

@caseyliss @marcoarment there's been good talk about adding, instead of "quote tweets", adding "boosting with notes" -- exactly the boost we have today, but adding the booster's text as a trailing static note after it

https://macaw.social/@mergesort/109509002379644355

Joe Fabisevich :verified: (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image @[email protected] I pushed so hard for this at Twitter! Everyone loved the idea but was too scared to make the change, I even included it in my going away email that I blasted out to all of product/design/engineering. https://fabisevi.ch/2022/04/01/goodbye-fellow-tweeps/

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Show threadMatt ChungDec 15, 2022

@caseyliss @marcoarment Feels so weird to not have quote toots (retoot?).

Not sure how to share a toot with a friend anymore. 😂

Show threadEhler Dec 15, 2022
@caseyliss @marcoarment I saw some forks of Mastodon that seem to interoperate? Maybe there could be a “best of the bird site” fork coming from Apple nerd-sphere, since certain cultural changes brought with this migration might be resisted.
Show threadAtharv VaishDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment I mean, it feels like any client should be able to basically build in quote tweet support. It’s just a custom link expansion and a button to make it convenient, no? You won’t get the repost count in the same way, yes, but that seems less important.
Show threaddavidwengierDec 14, 2022

@marcoarment I never understood why you always "replied" to a tweet by quote tweeting. I guess we have very different twitter world's, because I never saw anyone else doing it. 🤷‍♂️

I think the non-algorithmic view here solves this. I saw your reply with the exact same visibility as if I'd seen any other type of post. If you'd done it as a reply to the original suggestion, I would have seen that too. Seems more natural to me to just have a conversation.

Show threadBrandon ButlerDec 14, 2022
@davidwengier @marcoarment I always viewed quote tweeting as commenting on someone’s tweet. Where as responding is engaging with the author hoping for a reply.
Show threadColin DevroeDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment I’m using Mammoth, and it has a “Share link” button that makes it quick and easy.
Show threadNic HaganDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment @captainslim I found this answer last week as well. Very frustrating that the alarm doesn’t just go to the active watch.
Show threadKyle BradburyDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment @captainslim Oh man thank you so much - it drove me nuts that not only do both watches go off, they also didn't sync and you have to dismiss both separately (even if you cancel your alarm).
Show threadLeonickDec 14, 2022

@marcoarment
It’s so frustrating that the sleep schedule alarm doesn’t work like other alarms.

I’d love to wear the watch for sleep tracking but then then iPhone doesn’t play the alarm sound. The alarm played by the watch is too quiet and fails to wake me 9 times out of 10.

Show threadBrad PDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment @captainslim been looking for this answer for ages. Wasn’t obvious to me that disabling sleep tracking would disable the alarms—thanks!!
Show threadGordDec 14, 2022
@sbradp @marcoarment @captainslim in my experience, it didn’t solve it. The alarm on the other watch goes off, and will keep sounding until the battery runs out, even if cancelled on the watch you’re wearing.
Show threadBrad PDec 15, 2022
@drgrowmac Well shucks. I disabled it on my non-sleep watch, anyway, and will see how it goes.
Show threadGordDec 15, 2022
@sbradp @marcoarment @captainslim I must have done something wrong, worked perfectly this morning! Happy days.
Show threadGordDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment @captainslim I tried that but it still went off. Would love an answer to this as I’ve resorted to just completely turning off the watch I’m not wearing, which precludes charging as far as I can tell?
Show threadChris JohnsonDec 14, 2022

@drgrowmac @marcoarment Is this an alarm you have set in the Clock app or an alarm set in the Sleep section of the Health app? That setting applies to the Sleep settings alarms; I don’t know if it has an effect on the Clock app alarms.

An alarm you set up in the Sleep section of Health is much nicer. It starts out with just a gentle haptic tapping, and the alarm sound starts out softly and gets louder until you dismiss it.

Show threadGordDec 14, 2022
@captainslim @marcoarment yes, the alarm set in the sleep app. The phone stays silent, the watch being worn taps you on the wrist and allows cancellation or snooze, the other watch sounds an audible alarm that keeps going until cancelled on that watch.
Show threadChris JohnsonDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment @drgrowmac That’s odd, since this is the exact setup I’ve been using for a couple of years, with several different combinations of watches. When I’m in bed, one is on my wrist with sleep tracking turned on, and the other is in the other room on a charger. The alarm on the one I’m not wearing never makes a peep, though it did before I figured out this setting.
Show threadGordDec 14, 2022
@captainslim @marcoarment hmm. I think I’ve specifically tried and failed to make this work, but sounds like I’m going to try again.
Show threadGordDec 14, 2022
@captainslim My iWatch 6 is busy restoring to 9.2 and I'll give it another go tonight. Ultra told not to use sleep and we'll see. 👍
Show threadChris JohnsonDec 14, 2022
@drgrowmac To be clear, it’s not the Track Sleep with Apple Watch setting that has to be turned off. You have to click the red Don’t use this Watch for Sleep button at the bottom of the page, which will disable everything else on that page.
Show threadGordDec 14, 2022
@captainslim Understood, thank you. I am 99% certain that's what I tried last time, but I'm hoping to be back tomorrow as the idiot that was mistaken. :)
Show threadGordDec 14, 2022
@captainslim Set up I think? We shall see.
Show threadChris JohnsonDec 14, 2022
@drgrowmac That looks right. It’s exactly what my setup looks like. 👍🏻
Show threadGordDec 14, 2022
@captainslim you’re using it exactly as I wanted to and I could NOT get it to work. Fingers crossed I’m an idiot! 😂
Show threadGordDec 15, 2022
@captainslim you’re a genius, which sadly must mean I’m an idiot. Not a peep from the watch on the charger this morning. 😎 Thank you! I have no idea what I did wrong last time.
Show threadChris JohnsonDec 15, 2022
@drgrowmac It’s a miracle! I’m glad it worked out. 🥳
Show threadStefan HansenDec 14, 2022
@marcoarment @captainslim Thank you.