Matt Vestengen-CoxPOV: Travelling outside of Europe
Source: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZCfUCzhHPR/ #video #reel #europe
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s10n@matt
So bottle caps are still an issue?
And am I now supposed to be for or against it? Also: Why?
SamuelJohnson@samueljohnson @matt @aral
So we love them for the little positive effect they have and not hate them for the massive #greenwashing of statistics they are intended for, effectively halving the amount of *seperate* pieces of trash that end up anywhere but the trash?
Just asking, guys.
Glad we're not stuck on the "I can't drink out of a bottle with these connected caps"-non-issue of the discussion anymore.
Wait, looks like we are.
@s10n @matt @aral Sorry, I don't understand your objection. It seems there is nothing the EU does that doesn't irritate some people bc it's too much or not enough.
The vast bulk of bottle caps are now recycled, along with the rest of plastic bottles on which a deposit is now paid. To many morons, the kind that likes to toss such things out car windows, this is tyranny. If they were responsible people we wouldn't need tethered caps and deposits.
Paavi (ei se paavi)@samueljohnson @s10n @matt @aral It's also often a bliss that I no longer accidentally drop a bottle cap while drinking and or handling the cap. Less stress when I don't want to finish the contents in one go and carry the bottle some distance. (Though just last week I wss served a bottle of water with an old style cap on a train in Germany. No idea why.)
@s10n @matt @aral Perhaps before resorting to jibes about #greenwashing it would be an idea to become familiar with the facts?
Here's some information for one country
https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/1024/1477146-bottle-collection/
@samueljohnson @matt @aral
You realize Irelands deposit scheme has little to do with the EUs decision to connect caps to bottles, do you?
The main reason was indeed the statistical one (turning to pieces of trash into one).
Not saying it's a bad thing, I'm actually all for it and find it laughable, when people claim they can't use bottles anymore. But let's not overstate the bottlecap-thing.
If the EU actually wanted to do something about plastic waste, they'd push towards glass bottles.
@s10n @matt @aral Do you ever bother doing any research? There's plenty of information online if you'd care to inform yourself instead of making petty snarks and jibes about greenwashing
https://www.packaging-gateway.com/news/deposit-return-schemes-in-focus-as-europe-tightens-rules/
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921344924005536
You're muted now. Bye.
And thus everybody crawled back into their own #bubble and noone had learned a thing. But at least, another voice that still got through got muted.
#success #peoplesuck #socialmedia
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES@s10n @samueljohnson @matt @aral
no, we learned something
we found a classic performance of the "just asking questions" style of trolling on mastodon
@s10n @samueljohnson @matt @aral
"Just asking, guys."
i am familiar with the classic "just asking questions" style of trolling, but i did not expect the troll to just come right out and say that
you need some remedial trolling instruction, your performance is not up to contemporary standards
Fish Id Wardrobe ⁂@samueljohnson @s10n @matt
i confess i don't have enough information here: HOW do they end up on beaches?
i hate the things pushing into my face. if i cut the cap off am i non-evil if i ensure it goes into recycling? in which case, i'm in favour of them.
@fishidwardrobe @s10n @matt They end up on beaches principally by ending up in rivers. Ever realize you've got the means to answer such questions in your hand?
@samueljohnson @s10n @matt i'm not actually looking for answers here, in fact; that was a rhetorical question.
(although you now have me wondering: if rivers->beaches, wouldn't that be via the sea? and isn't the point that we don't want them in the sea, rather than on the beaches? … that's another rhetorical question.)
Aral Balkan
Charlie Stross@aral @s10n @matt I suspect a more ergonomic solution to the bottle-top problem hasn't happened because it would cost more than this minor irritant. Not necessarily in materials but in the cost of re-tooling production lines to use it.
Compare drink cans of today with those of 50 years ago and there's a night-and-day improvement in ergonomics *but* it needs whole different production lines to fill the cans that didn't require a "church key", and later a ring-pull, to open them.
@aral @s10n @matt I will add that I've *seen* a church key gadget but am too young to have ever used one—and I was born at the Boomer/Gen-X cut-over. So, like slide rules, these days they're a diagnostic for geezerdom (but a useful reminder that even something as obvious as "how to open a can of Coke" has changed frequently since the 1950s).
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DrYak@musevg @cstross @aral @s10n @matt was wondering the same, and managed to keyword-search a source [link deleted, @denisbloodnok 's reply bellow is better] Yes, it looks like a nornal bottle opener. The key part here is not the bottle opener end, but the pointy bit at the opposite end: you can use it to stab cans open (I would guess in a similar fashion as the sharp hook on a swiss knife can opener when you start?)
Major Denis Bloodnok@denisbloodnok
Ah, thanks for the WP link! There's this picture at the end, titled "Opening a beer can with a "church key", 1963" and now it seems to me like before the "Ring Pull" cans, no tool-less opening mechanism did exist. People needed to bring their own tooling even for opening beer or soda cans. I wasn't aware of that… my beverage career started with Ring Pull and single-purpose, can-opener-less bottle openers :)
#RingPull #ChurchKey #TIL
Eric Likness@musevg @denisbloodnok @dryak @cstross @aral @s10n @matt
I remember as kid growing up the big cans of Hi-C that used to be shelf stable. And those always needed to be opened with the church key. And they would sit open in the fridge for weeks on end until we finished it. Thankfully the galvanized metal could take it.
There's an example here at the :19 second mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX7a5Bp77EM
Hi-C Peach Drink Commercial (1977)
Jeff Grigg@carpetbomberz @musevg @denisbloodnok @dryak @cstross @aral @s10n @matt
Oh, we used these frequently in the 1960s and 1970s, for a lot more than beer. Many canned goods, like tomato sauce, were opened with that left part.
@carpetbomberz @musevg @denisbloodnok @dryak @cstross @aral @s10n @matt
And bottle openers, like that right part?
I have two of them on my desk right next to me right now.
I'm not running a museum. I've used both of them within the past few years.
@JeffGrigg @musevg @denisbloodnok @dryak @cstross @aral @s10n @matt
And if anyone bought quarts of oil from an automotive dept. Of a dept store, they all had that same flat metal top. Design to have to triangular holes ripped into them.
@carpetbomberz @musevg @denisbloodnok @dryak @cstross @aral @s10n @matt
Old school oil cans.
Image from
https://www.goantiques.com/3-one-quart-collectible-168652
(It comes in plastic bottles now.
… with the problematic separate caps, of course!)
@JeffGrigg @musevg @denisbloodnok @dryak @cstross @aral @s10n @matt
And they came in flat cases (not boxes). Same as cases of 24 beer cans.
@carpetbomberz
I have very faint memories of these things (pics from ebay). The beige one comes close to the OG "Church Key" concept I just learned about, but the small yellow one were more common in Germany (smaller churches?)
@JeffGrigg @denisbloodnok @dryak @cstross @aral @s10n @matt
I have very faint memories of these things (pics from ebay). The beige one comes close to the OG "Church Key" concept I just learned about, but the small yellow one were more common in Germany (smaller churches?)
@JeffGrigg @denisbloodnok @dryak @cstross @aral @s10n @matt
@musevg @carpetbomberz @denisbloodnok @dryak @cstross @aral @s10n @matt
"Blanco BBQ," a local place I often bicycle to on weekends, has several of these, with small buckets underneith, to catch the caps.
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David Penfold 
@davep @exus1pl @aral @s10n @matt Not all of our faces are similar and our motorics vary a little too. While I never found these new caps a nuissance, some people have valid reasons to find them annoying. I just like how I'll never accidentally drop a cap again. I have no complaints, other people do have different experiences.
However, the best way to avoid plastic waste is by not producing plastics.
However, the best way to avoid plastic waste is by not producing plastics.
Stefan Scholl@Stefan_S_from_H
How old do I have to be to not give a f--k about the cap supposedly getting into my face?
How young do I have to be, to push for actually meaningful progress on the matter of reducing plastic waste?
I feel like Schrödingers trashcan on this issue.
How old do I have to be to not give a f--k about the cap supposedly getting into my face?
How young do I have to be, to push for actually meaningful progress on the matter of reducing plastic waste?
I feel like Schrödingers trashcan on this issue.
i don't know because you seem to really really REALLY give a volcanic amount of fuck about the cap
oh shit, you got me, i am ashamed
serious grown ups rant for many comments about the vast evils of nondetachable bottle caps
this is a very serious effort you are engaged in under a simple, light hearted funny video, and i need to shut up and go sit at the children's table
thank you for putting me in my place
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the troll blocked me!
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oh well no more fun here today, on to the next deranged troll
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Viktoria D. Richards/Uddelhexe@matt hahahaha i nearly spit my Coffee out if my nose😂
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mausmalone@matt huh ... I've never been to Europe so I didn't know about the connected cap thing.
At least now I know why the label in the US say s "replace cap and recycle." It never dawned on me that anybody ever threw the caps away separately.
Ged Maheux@mausmalone @matt Because we don’t. I’ve never seen anyone not replace the cap when we throw away a bottle. I mean it must happen if they made a regulation for it but… never been my experience with screw caps.
Geoff 🏴@gedeonm @mausmalone @matt For a good few years here the plastic in the bottle was recycleable, but the cap wasn't, so we had to remove them. Particularly annoying as you can't use the vacuum pressure to keep the bottle squished flat and save space.
Susi@_thegeoff @gedeonm @mausmalone @matt
Wait, we don’t have to do that anymore? I didn’t get the memo and am still throwing them out separately.
Wait, we don’t have to do that anymore? I didn’t get the memo and am still throwing them out separately.
@Susibryant @gedeonm @mausmalone @matt Entirely depends on your local authority here, and how they process the recycling.