To better days…
@siracusa Read about this and immediately came to Mastodon to see if you had posted.
@sethadam1 @siracusa Same for many of us I believe :) I read about it and yelled out: Oh no! John!

@jeroen @sethadam1 @siracusa

I’m listening to ATP where John had *just* pondered why Apple hadn’t pulled the trigger yet.

@siracusa 🪦 RIP Mac Pro (2006-2026)

@siracusa the biggest disappointment about this is that Apple never did bother to solve their RAM ceiling problem in Apple Silicon Macs. I was hoping to see some clever solution that added slotted memory that had a direct connection to the rest of the SOC to be super fast and low latency.

Hell, I would have settled for a version that was architected like the Intel Mac Pro with slotted RAM and higher capacity at the cost of latency.

Instead Apple just didn't bother to try to solve it.

@siracusa (or the expansion issue in general; it would have been super cool to see a new type of MPX module that was tightly integrated enough that it performed like adding new GPU cores to the SOC or something)
@harpaa01 512Gb RAM is a too low ceiliing?

@torb it is!

You could configure a Mac Pro with 1.5 TB of RAM in 2019.

And now it's easy to conceive of an AI-focused workload where you might want to run a large model that could easily blow past even 1.5 TB.

Apple's unified memory approach has a lot of advantages for most of its lineup, but the super high end is poorly served by this because of those limits (and now we can really overcome those limits by doubling up on SOCs which forces you to add CPU/GPU cores you might not need)

@torb @harpaa01 keep in mind that for sound designers in heavy production, for instance, they need 1tb of RAM at least to have a snappy setup.
@regis @torb @harpaa01 you’re going to need to provide a source for this because this is not believable.
@zed I forget whether it was part of the 2019 WWDC keynote or in some supplemental materials released that same week but there were interviews with audio professionals who were delighted to finally be able to have Logic sessions where they could actually edit a full recording with dozens of different instruments on their own tracks, and this was something they were finally able to do because of the RAM levels. MKBHD discussed this when he reviewed the 2019 Mac Pro as well.

@harpaa01 I appreciate you trying, but some people desiring high amounts of ram doesn’t back up the claim that “sound designers in heavy production” need 1TB of ram.

The 1TB of ram being the baseline for “need” is the real sticking point.

@harpaa01 @zed
What I’ve heard about this is it’s based on older pro app architectures that didn’t stream files in very well from the disk. But that’s not really a limit anymore (both because of better designed apps and ever faster SSDs).

Agreed though it needs an actual test with empirical data. The only 1TB RAM single user use case I’m aware of is local SOTA AI.

@siracusa at least you guys got something to talk about on the @atpfm you're recording Sunday.
@siracusa My condolences, John. We were rooting for it (and you).
The Kinks - Better Things (Audio)

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@kjhealy I adore this song and our band used to cover it in the late 90s.
Better Things by Fountains Of Wayne on Apple Music

Song · 2002 · Duration 3:10

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GREAT cover! I think they did this one on Conan too

@siracusa Easy. Pro is so passé - waiting for Ultra…
@siracusa my condolences to you, sir

@siracusa Somewhere in Apple Park is an unopened package an intern neglected to deliver. In it, a t-shirt that could have inspired and made all the difference.

That said, they could backtrack today and announce an M5 Ultra mac pro with upgradable GPU and RAM and I would know 0 people that would buy one. I think it's an important product to have existed but market reality has spoken. As nice as it is, the negative ROI on that case design is probably second only to project titan.

@bartreardon @siracusa The market exists, Apple just decided not to play in it. More customers for Dell, HP, Asus,...
@siracusa off to the trash can and then to be grated down and sold for scrap 😔
@siracusa from mea culpa in 2017 to guillotine in 2026...less than a decade and most of that time still spent in malaise without updates
@siracusa Does this add insult to injury? I kinda wish this had been the first announcement for the sake of levity... https://www.macrumors.com/2026/03/26/mac-pro-wheels-kit-discontinued/
Apple's $700 Mac Pro Wheels Kit Discontinued Along With Mac Pro

In addition to discontinuing the Mac Pro, Apple today discontinued the $700 wheel add-on kit that it sold for the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro Wheels...

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@trvsg @siracusa @kalleboo I’m sure they’ll release some wheels for the Mac Studio soon.
@siracusa At least you have clarity now and don’t need to keep waiting forever.
@siracusa Our thoughts and prayers are with you at this difficult time. Seriously, though, one of my most exciting Apple-related experiences was when UPS delivered my Graphite G4 Mac Pro and accompanying 15” LCD Studio Display back in ‘99. I felt like a kid again on Christmas morning.
@siracusa Apologies, it was obviously the “Power Mac G4”. It’s not the years, honey, it’s the mileage.
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Still a super nice case.

@siracusa I’m so sorry John for our loss 😔

This is not that surprising but really sad. I think Apple will be more of a portables company (ofc not entirely) because that’s where Apple Silicon and their strength shine. But really wished they kept innovating in the high-end desktop space.

@siracusa thinking of you during this difficult time.
Can’t wait to hear what you do next though
@siracusa They should have done that years ago, “it is the hope that kills you”. 🫡
@siracusa I always assumed that you would have had a pre-written obit for the Mac Pro on standby like the newsrooms do for high profile people
@siracusa high-profile people? I think there’s a hyphen there.
@siracusa if you need help mourning, I have at least two working #Newton MessagePads still.
@siracusa Actual Mac Pro news aside, is it just my eyes or does seeing this photo on one’s phone and jiggling the device even a millimeter induce a parallax effect? An accidental optical illusion with Ternus appearing to move independently of the background like a “special scene.” I downloaded and inspected the image because at first I thought you’d posted a GIF that subtly jiggled, like 3 video frames looping.
@markgrambau Looks pretty static to me…
@markgrambau @siracusa I see it too, it’s very subtle, are you wearing glasses?
@markgrambau @siracusa if I move my head left and right, the left edge of the Mac Pro on the right of Ternus goes from red to normal to blue.
@siracusa so sad. You were the first person I thought of when I read the news. Gut feeling is something Mac Pro-like will be introduced in the future. This story has more chapters to be written.
@siracusa It will cycle back around in 5 years along with the Pro Display XDR as “NEW innovation as only Apple can do with the reputation that the Mac Pro and Pro XDR that professionals always relied on” or something like that in the presentation.
@siracusa My condolences, John ❤️