"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
🤞 🤞 🤞
If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism
Fuck your #cynicism
VOTE
Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭
who won the 2020 us presidential election? and who was president at the time?
thank you to everyone who showed up and voted then
you agree?
so get the fuck out of here with your cowardice and premature capitulation
vote, you spineless asshole
if fascism does destroy us democracy, it will be because of MAGA, and meek submissive fear-addled weak whiners
you CAN vote out orban
you CAN vote out trump
you CAN vote out fascism
fuck this weak whiny defeatism
Do you vote?
If so good
That's what we need. Then we gradually iterate to better
Buy if you don't vote, go fuck yourself. You're the reason as much as MAGA why we are sliding to fascism
All these fucking lazy rationalizations do is serve various weaknesses and character failures that, in aggregate with other whiny losers, leads to fascism
That's it
VOTE
@benroyce @idahobucks Pauline Hanson would like an explanation please.
The existence/election of Fraser Anning might be a salutary example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Anning
Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US but still manages to elect and give power to utter bastards.
I don't understand what the point is
We should all vote, right?
PS: is this the guy who got an egg to the face from a teenager?
@benroyce @idahobucks Anning is widely hated, yes. But also voted in.
Assuming that if people who don't vote did they would all vote against fascists isn't a safe assumption. Hungary elected Orban and his government more than once, for example.
Anning is from a nice white English-speaking country so a lot of USA voters find it easier to understand. Plus Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US does.
Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up
The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything
On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote
@benroyce @idahobucks A lot of my caution comes from the US habit of letting governments pick their voters.
The strategy of yelling abuse at non-voters might get a useful outcome, I don't know your local situation well enough to know. But in general yelling abuse is a poor tactic.
If we're at a place where people won't vote because someone was mean on social media, we're already doomed. Such immature people unable to advocate for their own needs and wants and are that emotionally addled, if they represent a large enough part of society, it speaks of such disgusting laziness and entitlement then just say good bye to it all now
And you certainly won't get such inept losers to vote by coddling their feelings
I find the idea of "iterating to better" somewhat naive. Even with perfectly proportional electoral system elected individuals tend to reflect the worldview and education level of the general population.
Turnaround at the recent elections was merely the last straw. Underlying economic and social issues combined with uselessness of the Dem leadership played a much bigger role.
Even if Harris would win the problem would return in 4 years.
the problem is always there
defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive
it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up
and so that is naive on my part:
that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle
and that is the failure:
loser assholes who don't vote
they let us all down
we lose an election?
we keep going
correct?
no
what we get is "waah waah we lost one election. waah waah this is so hard. waah waah i give up"
fucking losers
and so fascism has it easier. *because of* people supposedly on the left. supposedly, because the real left in days of yore had a fucking backbone
that's what we lack nowadays
Voting tactically on a lesser evil is better than not voting at all. But
Overton's window shifting is a real thing. And last election's bad option may be the lesser evil of the next.
Average electoral district for the Representatives is around .76 million people. Successful campaign inherently requires a lot of money, connections and favours. This favours corporate candidates over progressives and coincidentally older candidates.
Last but not least i don't think US can vote itself out of the current kerfuffle.
i don't give a fuck
all there is the good fight in this world
then you can build on it IF YOU SHOW THE WILL TO FIGHT
if you spend your fucking time making arguments for how the fight is pointless, you might as well walk up to a fascist and ask them to put you in the concentration camp now
is that really what you want?
no?
so FIGHT, fucker
NO to fucking stupid weak bullshit rationalizing defeat!
FIGHT
@benroyce @klegdixal @moz @idahobucks Defeating facism isn't *just* voting out fascists. But it *includes* voting out fascists.
Vote.
Talk to people.
Stand up to your racist uncles. Not because you'll change their mind, but so that bystanders see that someone is challenging them.
If what you are suggesting is that some folks won't vote because their feelings where hurt by someone on social media, then you seem to have identified the problem, because social media is being used by some very astute people to suppress their votes.
@mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
therefore, anyone who is not voting, just because of their fucking feelings of resentment, helplessness, etc:
grow a fucking backbone!
the point of a vote is to advocate for your own wants and needs effectively
the point is not to vibe on social media wallowing in self-pity and despair, while your rights are stripped away
the left of yore, in previous centuries, would look at the "left" today and smack their foreheads
so many are so fucking weak
@benroyce @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
"If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice."
Rush, Free Will
then BLESS YOU
you are my hero
so why the fuck would you ever downplay voting in premature capitulation, which only helps MAGA
sure but the #primaries coming up this year can get us real left candidates who can freeze #trump's agenda if we also show up in november in the general #election
so try to focus on that, this year at least
@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Also, the chances of even very center-right dem candidates being anywhere near as awful as the MAGA are really slim. There may be a Tulsi Gabbard hiding somewhere we don't know about, but beyond that, not saying or doing Nazi s... is a fair recommendation compared to the alternative.*
* I say this as a European left-winger, meaning that even American left-wingers look quite right-wing to me.
@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
I agree with you
You're speaking of long term tactics, good strategy, a rational approach
I would prefer a real left candidate but barring that: hold the line, iterate, get real improvement the next round of voting
This is the only way to achieve anything
The lesser of two evils is still less evil
Of course for saying this we now incur the wrath of the seething howling toxic idealists
As if those assholes ever achieve anything in life except whining
@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
True and in this case the choice between "The lesser of two evils" is likely to be the choice between somebody at worst not that good and someone for whom "disgustingly evil" is an actually valid description - and, if anything, an understatement.
@SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Write it, post it, send it: a rational approach to voting
Receive in reply: voices whining they don't get perfect, have zero plans, make zero effort, then help #fascism by not voting. Fucking losers. They howl about #shitlibs and #blueMAGA when in fact the only result of their ineffectual purity drama is to help #MAGA if they don't vote
Real life isn't a game of social media scorn, useless entitled #toxicIdealism whiners
Think. Act. Fight. #VOTE!
@benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
And you literally can't tell who is the toxic supposed left winger and who is the MAGA sock puppet.
Personally, I take them all to be sock puppets and just block.
@benroyce @SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Such a shame that you have to cry out like an Old Testament prophet to an indifferent, apathetic public, Ben. The palpable truth and wisdom of your jeremiad really shouldn't need such repetition, but sadly it does.
@copter_chief
@SherBeareth
@JonChevreau
@Harrybear @SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks @copter_chief @SherBeareth @JonChevreau
eh, i'm a hothead. it has the appearance of a virtue, as long as i'm shouting at the right foolishness
@SuneAuken @benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks If we're not careful, especially with the primary, we could validate some of the awful though.
The Overton Window has shifted now to make Newsom mainstream with his anti-trans and anti-homeless (anti-Labor in the big picture) policies.
If he's the nominee then he's the nominee, but real harm is going to result from it.
@gooba42
The difference between Newsom and any Republican is: Newsom is an opportunist, and the Rs are a bunch of white Christofascists with no mental flexibility. Newsom can be swayed by the public, whereas the Rs actively disdain anyone not one of them.
Mind you, I am not fond of him, but compared to the deep MAGAts, he is slightly better.
@SuneAuken @benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
For once, this is not just about "the lesser of two evils". This midterm election November 3rd is different.
You are not voting:
republican versus democrat
red versus blue
You are voting:
fascism versus democracy
subjects versus citizens
trickle up versus trickle down
total control versus basic freedoms
no rights versus civil rights
It's not about the lesser of two evils. It's about #democracy winning over dictatorial autocracy.
@NickSchwanck @MrBranch40 @SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
whether we have free and clear elections
or we're being marched to concentration camps
or any situation in between:
you fight
always
all there is is the good fight in this world
any artificial line in the sand that says "past this point, stop fighting, it's hopeless" is a stupid lie
and the only reason we're even at this point is not enough of us were fighting to keep it good when we had it better
so we learn the hard way
@benroyce @NickSchwanck @MrBranch40 @SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks We must live our lives as though we can always snatch victory back from the jaws of defeat, even if that's difficult to believe sometimes and the odds against us seem overwhelming. As others have pointed out, when governments resort to strongarm tactics to suppress dissent, that's when they're at their weakest.
Minnesota and Minneapolis have shown that consistent mass resistance *will* erode the resolve of the fascists. ✊🏼
@NickSchwanck @SuneAuken @benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
A lot of USA voters did not know this in 2024.
More people see it now.
The regime exposed themselves with the killing and cover up of #ReneeGood & #AlexPretti.
That tactics used in #Minneapolis showed us that this is not business as usual.
The DOJ, DHS, FBI all lied despite evidence with the above and #Epstein .
This was 2024 but is also in your face exposed current issues we can fight against.
@MrBranch40 @SuneAuken @benroyce @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
At worst, it's a choice between getting half a loaf and eating rat poison.
@n1xnx @MrBranch40 @SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
"but i want gold encrusted steak"
"that's not on the menu"
"well if i can't get what i want i'm not choosing"
"if you don't choose, you'll get the worst option"
"it's not faiiiiir"
"rat poison it is"
@benroyce @MrBranch40 @SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
Yup, that's the last election in a nutcase - I mean nutshell.
I hope the woman who told a reporter she didn't vote because "the Democrats must be punished" enjoys her D-Con smoothie.
@n1xnx @MrBranch40 @SuneAuken @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
ah the ol' cut my nose off to spite my face routine
classic genius maneuvre that
(/s)
@gunstick @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
oh fuck you
there will be primaries
what the fuck is with you premature capitulation spineless cowards?
@gunstick @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
don't worry about it gunstick:
if people listen to your spinelessness and therefore don't vote, we can smile cheerfully at each other in the concentration camps because we won't have to worry about history or anything else anymore
fuck off with the premature capitulation
the vote is important
they still vote in venezuela, and their system is *really* fucked
why can't americans have the same backbone as venezuelans?
why be an impotent defeatist whiner?
@Perrin42 @gunstick @brouhaha @moz @idahobucks
i think preemptive capitulation is the proper terminology, but yes, i like this alternative verbiage, there's a sly double entendre
> I guess if my county winds up with an awful coroner, it's my fault.
Well, for the incumbent, there is always the "study" of "How did they do the job?" I mean if their are credible complaints you can vote for someone new. Even that simple technique will 'evolve' better government as long as you vote.
Vote for Democrats, vote for republicans, makes no difference you are voting for fascists.
It is time people realize the truth.
Thanks for your input, moron
"BoTh SiDeS tHe SaMe" is so profoundly stupid, it's kind of funny
Very very true.
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