@idahobucks

who won the 2020 us presidential election? and who was president at the time?

thank you to everyone who showed up and voted then

you agree?

so get the fuck out of here with your cowardice and premature capitulation

vote, you spineless asshole

if fascism does destroy us democracy, it will be because of MAGA, and meek submissive fear-addled weak whiners

you CAN vote out orban

you CAN vote out trump

you CAN vote out fascism

fuck this weak whiny defeatism

@idahobucks

Do you vote?

If so good

That's what we need. Then we gradually iterate to better

Buy if you don't vote, go fuck yourself. You're the reason as much as MAGA why we are sliding to fascism

All these fucking lazy rationalizations do is serve various weaknesses and character failures that, in aggregate with other whiny losers, leads to fascism

That's it

VOTE

@benroyce @idahobucks Pauline Hanson would like an explanation please.

The existence/election of Fraser Anning might be a salutary example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Anning

Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US but still manages to elect and give power to utter bastards.

@moz @idahobucks

I don't understand what the point is

We should all vote, right?

PS: is this the guy who got an egg to the face from a teenager?

@benroyce @idahobucks Anning is widely hated, yes. But also voted in.

Assuming that if people who don't vote did they would all vote against fascists isn't a safe assumption. Hungary elected Orban and his government more than once, for example.

Anning is from a nice white English-speaking country so a lot of USA voters find it easier to understand. Plus Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US does.

@moz @idahobucks

Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up

The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything

On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote

@benroyce @idahobucks A lot of my caution comes from the US habit of letting governments pick their voters.

The strategy of yelling abuse at non-voters might get a useful outcome, I don't know your local situation well enough to know. But in general yelling abuse is a poor tactic.

@moz @idahobucks

If we're at a place where people won't vote because someone was mean on social media, we're already doomed. Such immature people unable to advocate for their own needs and wants and are that emotionally addled, if they represent a large enough part of society, it speaks of such disgusting laziness and entitlement then just say good bye to it all now

And you certainly won't get such inept losers to vote by coddling their feelings

@benroyce @moz @idahobucks

I find the idea of "iterating to better" somewhat naive. Even with perfectly proportional electoral system elected individuals tend to reflect the worldview and education level of the general population.

Turnaround at the recent elections was merely the last straw. Underlying economic and social issues combined with uselessness of the Dem leadership played a much bigger role.

Even if Harris would win the problem would return in 4 years.

@klegdixal @moz @idahobucks

the problem is always there

defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive

it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up

and so that is naive on my part:

that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle

and that is the failure:

loser assholes who don't vote

they let us all down