Lari LehtomäkiJun 26
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Hey all y'all need to stop using "guys" in mixed company.

- My trans girlfriend is not a guy.
- My cis girlfriend is not a guy.
- I'm not a guy (or a girl, but that's not relevant here).

Misgendering is misgendering—even if "everyone's doing it".

Patriarchy shouldn't be the default.

#FuckThePatriarchy #Feminist #LGBTQ+ #Rant

Jun 24 at 5:29amWeb
Show threadLisa MeltonJun 24
@alice This. So much this. 💯
Show threadCassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️Jun 24
@alice I personally really like "folks" as an alternative. Lots of good options!
Show threadAnyia, complicated 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈Jun 24
@xgranade @alice Mmm, folx/folks is my preferred one these days, though my circle of friends has always seen "guys" as all-inclusive, both in user and usee(? 🤔) senses.
Show threadLisaJun 24
@anyia @xgranade @alice
Random Anecdote:
When I was in grade 6 we had a relief teacher from the USA who (after offending half the class) insisted "in america 'guys' means boys and girls"... then someone called out "you're not in Kansas anymore Todo."
Show threadqwertzalotlJun 24

@TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice

Same here: American Professor in Germany. For Americanistics 🙄 Same bullshit...

Show threadAlex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKJun 24
@qwertzalotl @TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice quite recently the Northern British term "yous" (equivalent to USA "y'all") has made its way to London and the South, and is increasingly used as a gender neutral term for a mixed group of people..
Show threadBernie Disobeys TyrantsJun 24
@vfrmedia @qwertzalotl @TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice I had no idea "yous" was a thing in Britain. It shows up in American dialectical charts not too far from where I grew up. I never heard it spoken myself but heard of people who had. Evidently it's spelled "youse" here, but I imagine it's the same word.
Show threadAlex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKJun 24
@BernieDoesIt @qwertzalotl @TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice
the spelling with the extra e is also common in Britain (both are interchangeable). I heard Northerners I encountered on the rave scene using it 30+ years ago but it seems to have travelled South comparatively recently, literally in the last couple of years..
Show threadcrabbyJun 24

And here I always thought that "yous" originated from Ireland.

@vfrmedia @qwertzalotl @TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice

Show threadAlex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKJun 24

@crabby @qwertzalotl @TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice it may have originated from Scots (or indeed been popular in both Scotland and Ireland, and then spread across Britain over the years)

https://dsl.ac.uk/results/%22yese%22

Dictionaries of the Scots Language:: Search Results

Show threadQuamatocJul 4
@qwertzalotl
I mean, "Leute" is already gender neutral. And a valid translation of "guys"...
Show threadCiferJun 26
@TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice Always remember: "Guys" is gender-neutral until you ask a guy how many guys he's fucked.
Show threadViolet PixelJun 24
@xgranade @alice

Folks is good but my non native english tongue always thinks of forks when I say it lmao

I like saying people, its simple and humane.
Show threadEnderprincessJun 24
@xgranade @alice i like peeps for people in non formal context
Show threadCoach Spore DieselJun 24

@xgranade @alice

So many! I'm partial to the British "you lot". But I'm in the Deep South US where it's y'all for a few and all-a-y'all for a large group.

Show threadmarionlineJun 24
@springdiesel @xgranade @alice As a non-native english speaker I didn't know the words "y'all" and "all-a-y'all" and wasn't aware "you lot" could be used as well point out several people. I think in German we say: "Leute" (people) or a old-fashioned slang "Kinders" (Children) to address a group of friends ...
Personally, for English I like the expression "you lot", I may start to use it actively from now on :D So, you lot we see me using it a lot now! Nothing better than practice to make a word part of active vocabulary! 😆
Show threaddraeathJun 24
@marionline @springdiesel @xgranade @alice they're just contractions. "Y'all" is literally just "you all" mushed together. The other is "all of you all" with that contraction and a heavy accent.
Show threadMàrtainn D Jul 5
@springdiesel @xgranade @alice Most places in the UK utilise the non-standard, unofficial “youse” as the plural of “you”
Show threadCoach Spore DieselJul 5

@ginger_tosser @xgranade @alice

Some folks from around New Jersey up toward Massachusetts also use this one.

Show threadstephaniepixie 🏳️‍🌈Jun 24
@xgranade @alice I also hate “hi ladies” with a passion even as a cis woman in a group of cis women.
“Hi folks” or “hi everyone” or just “hi” would be great.
Show threadHowToPhil (Phillip R)Jun 24
@stephaniepixie @xgranade @alice Too easy to confuse with "High Ladies" which in turn could be royalty or women who use The Spice to fold space and time
Show threadEve VentuallyJun 24

@stephaniepixie "Hello, co-conspirators."  

@xgranade @alice

Show threadstephaniepixie 🏳️‍🌈Jun 24
@EveHasWords @xgranade @alice If I went to a restaurant and the server said this I would increase their tip right at the start 😄
Show threadCassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️Jun 24

@stephaniepixie @alice There's some complexity there, at least for me personally. When I'm in a group of women, and the group is addressed in a gender-neutral way, that can sometimes feel like it invalidates that I'm a woman (depending *highly* on the circumstance and who's doing the addressing). On the other hand, "ladies," while problematic in other ways as you note, can also be affirming in that way.

Language is difficult and complicated...!

Show threadstephaniepixie 🏳️‍🌈Jun 25

@xgranade It’s more the cultural and gender expectations attached to language that people either gravitate to or are repelled by.
To my mind “ladies” has a very patriarchal othering connotation. Like the number of years people would say “lady cop” or Arsenal Ladies (the football club, in case you don’t follow sports) to point out they are secondary to the default male.

But I suppose that’s also why it might be appealing if one seeks validation and inclusion in the group they have been excluded from.
Ideally there would be other ways of using language to include people without using such archaic and gender-specific language.

Show threadEgglerJun 24

@stephaniepixie @xgranade @alice Whenever I hear the word "ladies" tossed out, I always hear it in Patrick Star's voice. Particularly the tone he uses in the panty raid episode.

It's got that ick factor.

https://youtu.be/nZE0tIigdX4

I Guess You're Gonna Miss The Panty Raid

YouTube
Show threadstephaniepixie 🏳️‍🌈Jun 25
@benetnasch It’s either that or some Victorian era woman with a high voice and a British accent saying “ladies” and it’s ALL wrong 😝
I’ve heard women refer to each other as ladies even as they’re sweating it out on a soccer field. No way men say “gentlemen/gents” as often as “ladies” is used.
Show threadViolet PixelJun 24
@alice

Finally someone said it, this "guys" and "bro" thing is so annoying
Show thread HyperSoop Jun 24
@violetpixel @alice for the record "sib" is an okay alternative to "bro", i know some would disagree but i'm fine with it, it becomes natural if you use it
Show threadKagan MacTane (he/him)Jun 24

@soop @violetpixel @alice Also "fam".

I wonder: if we try, can we get "coz", which was big in Shakespeare's time, to make a comeback? Then we'd have *three* gender-neutral replacements for "bro/bruh", and we could start making it so each of them had slightly different connotations!

Show threadWearyBonnieJun 25
@kagan
Interesting - I think if I used coz (though here it would be cuz) here, it would sound like I was appropriating First Nations/Indigenous culture
@soop @violetpixel @alice
Show threadeestileib (she/hers)Jun 25

@3TomatoesShort @kagan @soop @violetpixel @alice

"Cuz" was pretty well used in Alabama in the 90s when I lived there. I was a Cuz to several people.

Show threadTomJun 24
@violetpixel @alice Whenever I see someone use "bruh", it makes me want to punch them in the face.
Show threadklegdixalJun 24

@violetpixel @alice
Guys or bro as a pronoun with no genda implies a certain dialect of American English.
Y'all as a pronoun implies a different dialect which i have 0 intentions of adopting.
Man in mankind has no genda for reasons that go back to the time when North America was called Vinland.
Trying to enforce which words mean what and which can or can't be used leaves a 1984 aftertaste.

You can call me shortarse, I'm a thick skinned bugger.

Show threaddragonfrogJun 24
@klegdixal @violetpixel @alice If you're sufficiently into the dialect, "y'all" is singular. If you want it to be plural you'd have to say "all y'all".
Show threadsecretsloth1d ago
@klegdixal I don't know whether you're just being a reply guy here, with that blank profile, so I'm going to set you straight on something. This attitude about both these words is snobby and not the way most folks in the US view them. Y'all, for one, is most common in more rural areas and the south, but is in common usage throughout the US more generally. Your comment doesn't actually make sense, and I'm pretty sure you're trolling, but in case you're just ignorant about the US, there you go.
Show threadJeffy 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦 ❤️🇱🇺Jun 24
@alice I’ve used “folks” for years and years and years.
Show threaddelProfundoJun 24
@alice I try to install y’ll or folks at work. With mixed success. I like the artwork work I can point my finger at now!
Show threadPonygirlJun 24
@alice I use "yinz"
Show threadElectrogothJun 24
"Yinz" is new England "y'all". A contraction for "you ones"
Show threadChris PetrilliJun 24

@alice I still smile when J Kenji Lopez-Alt ends his videos with “guys, gals, and non-binary pals”.

But “friends, enemies, and yet undecided” works as well.

Show threadAgas Ramirez 🎙️Jun 24
@alice comrades!
Show threadle petit printf 🇺🇦🇨🇿👃💨Jun 24
@agasramirez @alice that is pretty much an insult around the former ostblok since the opressors liked to call themselves this
Show threadAgas Ramirez 🎙️Jun 24
@lkundrak @alice I didn't know that! Thanks for the info.
Show threadBellaJun 24
@alice okay but no one better call me a folk.
Show threadBellaJun 24
@alice how about callin me yo. :) like what up yos? how we doin yos?
Show threadsotolfJun 24
@alice Not to try to discuss or something but as english isn't my native language using a dialect thing probably isn't the best for me, but point taken, I'll be looking for some other phrase that still feels okay to me. you all might do for the time being :)
Show threadSunandaJun 24

@alice me, a Hindi speaker, still trying to make "Mastodoston" a thing

Dost = friend, neutral
Doston! (Friends!) is my favourite way to address a room.

Show threadAllanJun 24
@Theorem_Poem in Ireland we use #Mastodaoine. Daoine=people.
Show threadSunandaJun 24
@allancavanagh so nice!
Show threadDaniil BaturinJun 24
@Theorem_Poem @allancavanagh I like how Irish is also surprisingly gender-neutral in that regard. The equivalent of the "ladies and gentlemen" greeting is "a dhaoine uisle" /a ɣˠi:nʲə uʃlʲe/ — "o noble people".
Show threadSunandaJun 24
@dmbaturin I didn't know that. That's wonderful. @allancavanagh
Show threadAllanJun 24
@dmbaturin @Theorem_Poem we do that in English too. "You know Johnny up the road? They got a new car."
Show threadChookMother 🇦🇺🦘Jun 24
@alice Y'all is not used in Australian English. Going back to "ladies and gentlemen" wouldn't cut it either. "Everyone" sounds a bit lame, so ..... ?
Show threadCroc in a FrocJun 24

@anne_twain @alice I like gang

"Hey gang"

Show threadMx VerdaJun 24
@SuperGaytor @anne_twain @alice Greetings, Delicious Friend(s).
Show threadAlexJun 24
@anne_twain @alice May I offer thou the archaic singular second person pronoun for thy usage?
Show threadmacoJun 24
@nap @anne_twain @alice (s/thou/thee/ — gotta use the object pronoun there)