🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)Jun 24

Hey all y'all need to stop using "guys" in mixed company.

- My trans girlfriend is not a guy.
- My cis girlfriend is not a guy.
- I'm not a guy (or a girl, but that's not relevant here).

Misgendering is misgendering—even if "everyone's doing it".

Patriarchy shouldn't be the default.

#FuckThePatriarchy #Feminist #LGBTQ+ #Rant

Show threadCassandra is only carbon now
@alice I personally really like "folks" as an alternative. Lots of good options!
Jun 24 at 5:31amWeb
Show threadAnyia, around 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈Jun 24
@xgranade @alice Mmm, folx/folks is my preferred one these days, though my circle of friends has always seen "guys" as all-inclusive, both in user and usee(? 🤔) senses.
Show threadLisaJun 24
@anyia @xgranade @alice
Random Anecdote:
When I was in grade 6 we had a relief teacher from the USA who (after offending half the class) insisted "in america 'guys' means boys and girls"... then someone called out "you're not in Kansas anymore Todo."
Show threadqwertzalotlJun 24

@TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice

Same here: American Professor in Germany. For Americanistics 🙄 Same bullshit...

Show threadAlex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKJun 24
@qwertzalotl @TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice quite recently the Northern British term "yous" (equivalent to USA "y'all") has made its way to London and the South, and is increasingly used as a gender neutral term for a mixed group of people..
Show threadBernie Merrily Does ItJun 24
@vfrmedia @qwertzalotl @TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice I had no idea "yous" was a thing in Britain. It shows up in American dialectical charts not too far from where I grew up. I never heard it spoken myself but heard of people who had. Evidently it's spelled "youse" here, but I imagine it's the same word.
Show threadAlex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKJun 24
@BernieDoesIt @qwertzalotl @TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice
the spelling with the extra e is also common in Britain (both are interchangeable). I heard Northerners I encountered on the rave scene using it 30+ years ago but it seems to have travelled South comparatively recently, literally in the last couple of years..
Show threadcrabbyJun 24

And here I always thought that "yous" originated from Ireland.

@vfrmedia @qwertzalotl @TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice

Show threadAlex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKJun 24

@crabby @qwertzalotl @TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice it may have originated from Scots (or indeed been popular in both Scotland and Ireland, and then spread across Britain over the years)

https://dsl.ac.uk/results/%22yese%22

Dictionaries of the Scots Language:: Search Results

Show threadQuamatocJul 4
@qwertzalotl
I mean, "Leute" is already gender neutral. And a valid translation of "guys"...
Show threadCiferJun 26
@TicklishHoneyBee @anyia @xgranade @alice Always remember: "Guys" is gender-neutral until you ask a guy how many guys he's fucked.
Show threadVJun 24
@xgranade @alice

Folks is good but my non native english tongue always thinks of forks when I say it lmao

I like saying people, its simple and humane.
Show threadEnderprincessJun 24
@xgranade @alice i like peeps for people in non formal context
Show threadCoach Spore DieselJun 24

@xgranade @alice

So many! I'm partial to the British "you lot". But I'm in the Deep South US where it's y'all for a few and all-a-y'all for a large group.

Show threadmarionlineJun 24
@springdiesel @xgranade @alice As a non-native english speaker I didn't know the words "y'all" and "all-a-y'all" and wasn't aware "you lot" could be used as well point out several people. I think in German we say: "Leute" (people) or a old-fashioned slang "Kinders" (Children) to address a group of friends ...
Personally, for English I like the expression "you lot", I may start to use it actively from now on :D So, you lot we see me using it a lot now! Nothing better than practice to make a word part of active vocabulary! 😆
Show threaddraeathJun 24
@marionline @springdiesel @xgranade @alice they're just contractions. "Y'all" is literally just "you all" mushed together. The other is "all of you all" with that contraction and a heavy accent.
Show threadspooky Ske-Lil-ton 🦇Oct 2
@marionline @springdiesel @xgranade @alice we should definitely normalize addressing our friends (as a group) with "Kinders" (or rather "Kinners", at least that's the typical pronunciation where I'm from)!
Show threadstephaniepixie 🏳️‍🌈Jun 24
@xgranade @alice I also hate “hi ladies” with a passion even as a cis woman in a group of cis women.
“Hi folks” or “hi everyone” or just “hi” would be great.
Show threadHowToPhil (Phillip R)Jun 24
@stephaniepixie @xgranade @alice Too easy to confuse with "High Ladies" which in turn could be royalty or women who use The Spice to fold space and time
Show threadEve Jun 24

@stephaniepixie "Hello, co-conspirators."  

@xgranade @alice

Show threadstephaniepixie 🏳️‍🌈Jun 24
@EveHasWords @xgranade @alice If I went to a restaurant and the server said this I would increase their tip right at the start 😄
Show threadCassandra is only carbon nowJun 24

@stephaniepixie @alice There's some complexity there, at least for me personally. When I'm in a group of women, and the group is addressed in a gender-neutral way, that can sometimes feel like it invalidates that I'm a woman (depending *highly* on the circumstance and who's doing the addressing). On the other hand, "ladies," while problematic in other ways as you note, can also be affirming in that way.

Language is difficult and complicated...!

Show threadstephaniepixie 🏳️‍🌈Jun 25

@xgranade It’s more the cultural and gender expectations attached to language that people either gravitate to or are repelled by.
To my mind “ladies” has a very patriarchal othering connotation. Like the number of years people would say “lady cop” or Arsenal Ladies (the football club, in case you don’t follow sports) to point out they are secondary to the default male.

But I suppose that’s also why it might be appealing if one seeks validation and inclusion in the group they have been excluded from.
Ideally there would be other ways of using language to include people without using such archaic and gender-specific language.