TutaMay 21

DeGoogling is possible, and it doesn't need to be difficult. 👏

Take a look at our in-depth guide of Google alternatives to learn how you can take back your privacy in 2025. ❤️🔒

👉 https://tuta.com/blog/how-to-leave-google-gmail

Have you already DeGoogled? If so, let us know your favorite Google-free apps.

#DeGoogle #GoogleAlternatives #PrivacyMatters

Best private Google alternatives: The ultimate list to deGoogle in 2025. | Tuta

2025 is the year to deGoogle! In this guide, we take a look at the best private Google alternatives so that you can say hello to privacy!

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Show threadjabsonik
@Tutanota
@kagihq & Orion browser.
May 21 at 10:43amWeb
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TutaMay 21

DeGoogling is possible, and it doesn't need to be difficult. 👏

Take a look at our in-depth guide of Google alternatives to learn how you can take back your privacy in 2025. ❤️🔒

👉 https://tuta.com/blog/how-to-leave-google-gmail

Have you already DeGoogled? If so, let us know your favorite Google-free apps.

#DeGoogle #GoogleAlternatives #PrivacyMatters

Show threadThibaultmol 🌈May 21

@Tutanota
Glad to see an updated version!
And glad to see FUTO keyboard on there as well.

For 2FA apps I always now recommend @ente . it's open source. it's a good looking app. and works perfectly. with backup even !

For search there's also
@kagihq
and they offer a very good translation service as well: https://translate.kagi.com/

(btw, stupid ocd thing: the bottom right, it's actually 'origanic maps' not 'organic map' xd)

Kagi Translate

Kagi Translate uses powerful AI models to instantly and accurately translate any content in any language.

Show threadHaris RazisMay 21

@thibaultmol @Tutanota @ente @kagihq I second the kagi ecosystem. As for organic maps there is some ongoing drama atm.

https://openletter.earth/open-letter-to-organic-maps-shareholders-a0bf770c

Open Letter to Organic Maps Shareholders

Show threadTiota SramMay 21
@xrazis @thibaultmol @Tutanota @ente @kagihq thanks for linking the OrganicMaps letter! I've been using OrganicMaps which is a quite decent front-end for OpenStreetMaps on Android, but now I'll be following this fork & switching when it's ready.
Show threadThibaultmol 🌈May 21
@xrazis @Tutanota @ente @kagihq fair yeah, I'm very aware of the situation but I had forgotten to even mention it.
Thx!
Show threadabeorchMay 21
@thibaultmol @Tutanota @kagihq @ente Is FUTO keyboard on @fdroid ? Im starting to use alot of fossify.org/about/ apps. Hope fully they will be on ActivityPub soon.
Fossify | About us

Astro description

Show threadThibaultmol 🌈May 21
@abeorch @fdroid @Tutanota @kagihq @ente i think you have to add the futo fdroid repo
Show threadabeorchMay 21
@thibaultmol @Tutanota @kagihq @ente Actually Fossify keyboard is coooool!
Show threadThibaultmol 🌈May 21

@abeorch I'm still stuck on gboard. There's three things I need that a keyboard
- Multilingual without switching
- typing by swiping
- accurate voice dictation

#Futo already has that 3rd point covered with FUTO Voice Input (which uses a local Whisper model).
The second point they have as well, mostly. (They're only open source keyboard with an actual decent swipe to type system.)
But they don't have the ability yet to do language detection swiping.

Show threadAirikr  May 25

@thibaultmol @Tutanota @ente @kagihq Kagi gets funded by Yandex which is a company in Russia. I would not trust them at all.

You want proof? Just do a search online for kagi yandex or kagi russia support and you'll find some sources.

I would recommend SearxNG instead.

Show threadThibaultmol 🌈May 25
@edgren they don't.....
I see that you found resources that said kagi and Russian and yandex... But I think you misunderstood what you probably found.
Yandex doesn't fund kagi.
Kagi uses a bunch of different search indexes, one of them is Yandex.
Show threadThibaultmol 🌈May 25

@edgren During any given search, it will pull from a variety of different search providers and deliver a combined search results page which is much better than each of the individual engines.

So kagi is paying Yandex for services just like how they're paying other search providers.
Yandex is just one many... So only 2% of infra cost is spent on yandex.

What I personally prefer to not have any money go to yandex... Yeah.
If I could turn off yandex on kagi, i would

Show threadAirikr  May 25

@thibaultmol The Mandela effect is huge when it comes to me. Kagi doesn't get funded by Yandex. It's the other way around.

Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1gvcqua/psa_the_kagi_search_engine_directly_funds_yandex/

If you want to continue using and maybe even supporting Kagi, go ahead 🙂 I can't stop anyone from doing this. But I can give them information.

Show threadThibaultmol 🌈May 25
@edgren I don't mind you commenting this on my post btw! Just wanted to add that correction 👍
Show threadAlavi | علویMay 21

@Tutanota
Great list but the fact that you never suggest Matrix for chatting pisses me off.

Matrix is much better and transparent than Signal. And it is decentralized.

Show threaddoboprobodyneMay 21

@alavi @Tutanota

Matrix or Deltachat seem like the ideal for this one. Maybe they're seen as too power-usery?
#degoogle #demeta #matrix #deltachat #instantMessaging

Show threadMuhammadFree🇵🇸May 21
@doboprobodyne @alavi @Tutanota Nah i think they are pretty easy to use
Show threadblamiMay 21
@Tutanota @mailbox_org deserves way more categories than just e-mail! So far the most integrated solution (mail, contacts, calendar, drive, office, conferencing, etc.) that compares to Google Workspace or M365 feature wise.
Show threadmxkMay 21
@Tutanota Session Chat and Brave are closely associated with cryptocurrencies and other shady businesses. I would argue strongly against recommending them!
And in addition to that, the security of session is highly questionable and there shouldn't be any reason to use it over signal and threema.
Show threadillythekidMay 21
@mxk @Tutanota I'm looking for a backup for Threema atm and Session doesn't seem so bad from what i've read - at least in regards to security. Could you elaborate on your concerns in that regard?
Show threadmxkMay 21

@illythekid @Tutanota they switched to their own protocol when breaking with signal and in the process killed perfect forward secrecy and their explanation why it wouldn't be important just shows, that they don't understand what they are talking about. - if you need more than threema and signal, jabber or element are the two systems I would consider.
https://getsession.org/session-protocol-explained

Also, one simply does not use block chain stuff.

Session Pro Beta: Development Update - Session Private Messenger

The latest progress towards Session Pro Beta's five core features: higher character, unlimited pins, larger groups, animated display pictures, and Pro badges.

Session
Show threadTotal Sonic MediaMay 21
@mxk @Tutanota - one reason to use Session is that an account does not need an email or a phone number to be set up. As for its supposed security issues, to my knowledge those were alleged by a single evaluator, and fwiw, Session replied on those concerns here - https://getsession.org/blog/a-response-to-recent-claims-about-sessions-security-architecture
Anyway, I don't think Session is necessarily a better choice than Signal or Threema for most user cases, but I think it can be valuable in some others.
Session Pro Beta: Development Update - Session Private Messenger

The latest progress towards Session Pro Beta's five core features: higher character, unlimited pins, larger groups, animated display pictures, and Pro badges.

Session
Show threadmxkMay 21
@TotalSonic @Tutanota no. They haven't.
This reply only proofs they don't understand the issues themself.
And even if you are a cryptographer and decide thats not relevant to you, the fact that it's a "block chain" project still should be sufficient reason not to use/recommend it under any circumstances.
Show threadTranquillouMay 21
@Tutanota i like "simple keyboard" https://f-droid.org/packages/rkr.simplekeyboard.inputmethod
Simple Keyboard | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository

Simply keyboard and nothing more

Show threadjabsonikMay 21
@Tutanota
@kagihq & Orion browser.
Show threadGavin LoganMay 21
@Tutanota Brave was founded and is run by a homophobic, cryptocurrency-using anti-masker, who (perhaps worst of all) created Javascript, so, I'd rather not thanks
Show threadResistencia carpinchaMay 23
@tamewhale Good point, I did not know that and I was thinking about trying it. I use Duckduckgo and Vivaldi, haven't found any crap regarding their founders...
Show threadLeo mastodonteMay 21
@Tutanota gran aporte. Gracias
Show threadTimelimeMay 21
@Tutanota any keyboard options for iOS?
Show threadFabio ManganielloMay 21
@Tutanota

- s/Searx/Searxng/, as Searx has been abandoned and it hasn't seen a commit in 3 years.

- Worth adding Proton to the alternative mail services too

- Worth adding Matrix and Jitsi to the Meet alternatives too

- Nextcloud anywhere?
Show threadThePfromtheOMay 21
@Tutanota
𝖴𝗉 𝗍𝗈 𝖽𝗈𝗐𝗇, 𝗅𝖾𝖿𝗍 𝗍𝗈 𝗋𝗂𝗀𝗁𝗍:
#DeepL; #VivaldiWebmail #Calendar; #Brave_Search/ #DuckDuckGo_Search; #ProtonPass; #Session; #VivaldiBrowser; #OnlyOffice; #Aurora_Store/ #FDroid; #e_OS (𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙮𝙚𝙩); #Ente_Photo; #Logseq; #Heliboard; #ProtonMail/ #VivaldiWebmail/ #TutaMail; #MiroTalk_SFU; #Ente_Auth; #ProtonDrive/ #filen_io; #PipePipe (𝙖 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙠 𝙤𝙛 #NewPipe); #OsmAnd
Show threadRMS06510May 21
@Tutanota Kagi rules
Show threadOliver SchafeldMay 21

DeepL is a good translator.

https://www.deepl.com

DeepL Übersetzer: Der präziseste Übersetzer der Welt

Übersetzen Sie Texte und ganze Dateien im Handumdrehen. Präzise Übersetzungen für Einzelnutzer und Teams. Jeden Tag nutzen Millionen von Menschen DeepL.

Show threadAndreMay 21
@Tutanota @alter i just changed my keyboard, and I'm thrilled how faster my typing got! Thanks
Show threadTutaMay 21
@althieme @alter Awesome. We're glad to hear that 😎
Show threadLaigneMay 21
@Tutanota cool. J'aime pas open street du coup j essaye osmand. Merci tout le reste a déjà été changé
Show threadKackfreshMay 21

@Tutanota

This is awesome, shared with my family!

Is there any reason not to list Nextcloud as a Drive/Docs alternative? it works great!

Show threadhazelnot May 21
@potatoes_fall @Tutanota they also didn't list DeepL for translation services, and recommended Brave (you know, the browser that serves you ads, does crypto shit, and afaik was started because "Firefox went woke" or some shit) services 💀
Show threadJeremy le fouMay 21
@Tutanota Can anyone recommend an office suite that could replace Google Workspace? My small company is all remote and we need to be able to have a unified mail solution, as well as a way to collaborate on web-based documents. We primarily use mail, calendar, drive, and docs/sheets. I've been looking but I haven't found anything that would allow us to easily transition away.
Show threadshadowwwindMay 21
@leftyknowitall @Tutanota maybe @nextcloud or @CryptPad
Show threadJonathanMay 22
@leftyknowitall
Have you tested Proton (Drive/Docs) or Cryptpad so far?
Show threadWinter TrabexMay 21

@Tutanota

A wrestling streaming service I use recently added Google Pay to process their credit card transactions. I felt so disappointed.

Show threadJmvarsMay 21
@Tutanota I thought Odysee was the de facto YouTube replacement.
Show threadFeike 🇪🇺🇳🇱May 25
@Jmvars @Tutanota you can't really choose your video-platform, because it's the content-creators' choice. I watch a lot on Nebula, because the creators can decide what to upload without the fear of demonetization.
Show threadFlohEinsteinMay 21

@Tutanota use VaultWarden instead of Bitwarden. It's a self-hosted server compatible with Bitwarden Client Apps. And it's FOSS.

#Vaultwarden

Show threadFat_FarangMay 21
@Tutanota Finding a Google Drive replacement was toughest and I finally settled on Aukland based MEGA; it offers 20g free. 5-Eye country and Hong Kong owned, but I encrypt everything before loading to the cloud anyways. They also have a Linux app.
Show threadResistencia carpinchaMay 22
@Fat_Farang @Tutanota Have you checked Filen? I paid for the one-time payment (30 euros, which is a lot for me since I am on the other side of the world) and it totally worth it.
Show threadRikardMay 21
@Tutanota Possible, certainly. Not difficult? I'm not convinced.
Show threadLarsMay 21
@Tutanota Very misleading to list LineageOS and e/os as alternatives to Android. They are highly insecure in many ways compared to a stock Android install. Even CalyxOS isn't really adding any benefit, but at least they still keep very basic security features like verified boot intact.
Show threadDFYXMay 21

@Tutanota I have high hopes for #LibreTranslate and have played around with it a bit. Sadly, at least for Japanese to English, the results are not quite at a quality level where I would use it as my main translation engine.

Really looking forward to what that project might become a few years from now.

Show threadDr Neenah Estrella-LunaMay 21

@dfyx @Tutanota Is LibreTranslate available on mobile? I can't seem to find it, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places.

I've been using Deepl and I like it, but looking to see if there's something better.

Show threadDFYXMay 21
@starluna @Tutanota You could try https://libretranslate.com or any other server that hosts it in your browser. Not sure if there is an app.
LibreTranslate - Free and Open Source Machine Translation API

Free and Open Source Machine Translation API. Free to download, offline capable and easy to setup. Run your own API server in just a few minutes.

Show threadDFYXMay 21
@Tutanota Any reason why nextcloud is not on that list? It's a great replacement for Google Drive and has great plugins for many of the categories in your list. Calendar, password manager, docs, notes, probably more.
Show threadAni KeatenMay 21
@Tutanota I would add Obsidian as notes replacement, and Pcloud as drive replacement.
Show threadabodyMay 21
@Tutanota Let us know when you finally support industry-standard protocols like POP3/IMAP
Show threadmthie®May 21

@Tutanota Would like to see Signal removed, since it's another Company (doesn't matter that it's owned by a foundation; it's still a company and can be bought) that is US-based.

Firefox, Brave, Duckduckgo, etc. are even US-based companies and can disable the users when Agent Orange in the White House tells them to do it.

And when will you open Tuta Mail for other clients, e.g., with a bridge? It's useless for people who want to use your service as a mail receiver but want to fetch via POP3/IMAP and store the mail only locally.

Show threadCassandrichMay 21
@mthie @Tutanota For fuck's sake, folks stop the bad-faith attacks on Signal? Whatever your objection to Signal is, it would also apply to nearly *every single other* thing on the list. But you've singled Signal out because you're part of (or a useful tool for) a disinformation campaign to get folks on insecure fake "secure messenger" platforms instead of Signal. 🤬
Show threadCassandrichMay 21

@mthie @Tutanota And no Firefox (do you mean Mozilla) cannot "disable users" because it's a *piece of software you own and run on your own computer*, that's open source and subject to public scrutiny, not an online service.

The level of coopted railing against stuff you don't even have a basic understanding of is something else.

Show threadmthie®May 21

@dalias @Tutanota Okay, let's get more into detail:

  • Signal is a piece of OSS that has some closed-source parts, like the deployments of the client to the App stores. Currently, as a user, you can't be sure that the version in the stores is precisely the one built from the repo. That's why I build my Matrix server and clients from the repos directly.

  • Signal is and still has that single point of failure architecture. If it's down, the users are fcked. That has been fixed by several services before Signal, e.g., XMPP, Matrix. But then the Company loses control over who can send/receive things. Horrible for investors.

  • I've said nothing against their encryption; I think it's good enough, and the biggest problem is always the user. ;)

  • And yes, you're right, I mean Mozilla. The browser is, like the Chromium Engine, open-source software. But it has installers with admin access on Windows machines. What if Mozilla rolls out a new version tomorrow with a small hidden "remote kill switch" feature? 99.9% of the Windows users wouldn't know it. As a Linux user, many distributions compile directly from the repo, and then you're right: there won't have any problems. But the larger user base may have problems.

  • And yes, you're right, with only 31 years of experience in software development for over 40 banks and highly scalable distributed networks (no Crypto bro crap), I'm quietly new to this stuff, and I have no basic understanding of what's going on there.

Show threadCassandrichMay 21

@mthie @Tutanota "But then the Company loses control over who can send/receive things. Horrible for investors"

This is just completely made-up bs. There ARE NO INVESTORS. This is not a for-profit enterprise.

Building a personal messaging system with the privacy properties Signal has *does not work* on the XMPP or Matrix model. The "e2ee" on top of them is an utter joke.

It is possible to do real-decentralized with same (and even stronger) privacy properties than Signal, but the tradeoffs are heavy. See: Cwtch or VeilidChat. Note that this relies on having a p2p/cooperative transport layer.

Anyway, you're not going to get normies on these any time soon. What Signal does is deliver absolute privacy of message contents (subject to participants or their devices not disclosing) and fairly strong privacy of metadata, to a wide non-expert audience. Nothing else is doing that. Everyone else who claims to be doing that is a fraud putting people's safety at risk.

The folks shitting on Signal with bullshit complaints, and recommending these fake secure messenegers (explicitly or implicitly), are also putting people's safety at risk.

Show threadWisps  May 21
@Tutanota okay but what about google contacts?