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Jasper Burns I'd like to see more of that in the fediverse features like events, groups, moderation, different roles, permissions etc. complemented by secure communication!
The Fediverse has literally got just about of this right now. Mastodon doesn't. But the Fediverse does because there's stuff in the Fediverse, as in federated with Mastodon, that has it. And it has had all of this for longer than Mastodon has even existed.
Friendica
Friendica has
- federating events
- groups (which are special accounts)
- private groups
- hidden groups
- moderated groups
- groups with multiple moderators on the same server
- a permissions system
- DMs that are actually private because they're covered by the permissions system rather than just handling who receives a message
- etc.
Friendica is from May, 2010, over five and a half years older than Mastodon.
It was made as an alternative for Facebook right away. It was not meant to be a Facebook clone, though, but
better than Facebook while also covering all long-form blogging features.
And Friendica is fully federated with Mastodon. You can follow Friendica accounts from Mastodon, and Friendica users can connect to your Mastodon account from Friendica.
Hubzilla
Hubzilla has
- federating events (in addition to a non-federating CalDAV calendar server)
- groups (which are special channels; Hubzilla calls them "forums")
- various independent options of making groups private that can be combined
- hidden groups, groups with multiple admins/moderators anywhere on Hubzilla or (streams) or Forte
- the second-most advanced permissions system in the Fediverse on three levels (entire channel, individual contacts, content) with 17 different permissions and seven or eight channel-wide permission levels for each
- DMs that are actually private because they're covered by the permissions system rather than just handling who receives a message
- optional additional encryption (only works within Hubzilla)
- optional non-federating articles
- optional planning cards
- optional webpages
- optional wikis
- nomadic (fully portable, decentralised, distributed) identity
- etc. etc.
Hubzilla is from March, 2016, ten months older than Mastodon. It was created by Friendica's creator by rebuilding and repurposing a fork of a fork of Friendica.
It is considered a "decentralised social content management system" that can be just about anything you want it to be because it's so modular. Basically, what's incomplete and unstable at best and an unfulfilled promise at worst on Bonfire has been readily available and rock-solid stable for over 10 years on Hubzilla. And even more on top of that.
Red, the Hubzilla precursor, was the first software to establish nomadic identity, something that Bluesky claims to be in the process of inventing from scratch. And that was as early as 2012.
Hubzilla was the very first software to implement ActivityPub. And unlike Mastodon, Hubzilla implemented ActivityPub by the book and largely still does so.
And Hubzilla is optionally fully federated with Mastodon. In fact,
this comment that you're reading right now comes from Hubzilla. Like, you're directly speaking with someone on something that has absolutely everything you wish for the Fediverse to have, and that has had all of it for longer than Mastodon has existed.
(streams), Forte
(streams) and
Forte have
- federating events (in addition to a non-federating CalDAV calendar server)
- groups (which are special channels)
- private groups
- hidden groups
- groups with multiple admins/moderators anywhere on Hubzilla or (streams) or Forte
- groups with moderated posting and commenting (as in posts and comments from new members will have to be confirmed by the moderators in order to be visible)
- the most advanced permissions system in the Fediverse on three levels (entire channel, individual contacts, content) with 15 different permissions and three or four channel-wide permission levels for each
- DMs that are actually private because they're covered by the permissions system rather than just handling who receives a message
- nomadic (fully portable, decentralised, distributed) identity
- etc.
(streams) is from October, 2021. It was created by Friendica's creator as a fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork?) of Hubzilla.
Forte is from August, 2024. It was created by Friendica's creator as a fork of (streams).
Forte was the first software to establish nomadic identity via ActivityPub.
And both are fully federated with Mastodon; (streams) optionally so, but it is by default.
I've made a document with a series of tables which directly compare the features of Mastodon, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte:
https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392In fact, this document is on the very same Hubzilla channel that I'm commenting from right now.
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