Ok, I need an alternative to Komoot for #CrossBorderRail 🚲🗺️ this summer
@spacehobo suggested cycle.travel that looks good, but on two shorter trips I’ll evaluate this and other options
NEEDS
- route planning and saving on a computer and easily on an iPhone
- ability to share routes with others with a link, and export routes as GEOjson or equiv file
- turn by turn navigation (I have an old iPhone on a handlebar mount)
IMPORTANT
- works anywhere in the EU, and Moldova and edge of Ukraine
IDEALLY
- community driven and/or open source
And sorry, solutions only in a web browser are unlikely good enough. An app based solution for saved routes strikes me as important.
And why am I leaving Komoot behind? As @osma documented, the founders sold out to big money enshittifiers 😭
Based on suggestions from a bunch of people, 3 apps are to be assessed more closely
cycle.travel
Ride with GPS
Organic Maps
First test: home to a friend’s place in a neighbouring village
There are two routes: a longer flat route along the canal, and a shorter hilly route on a road with cars
cycle.travel gives me the canal
The other two the hilly road
First win for cycle.travel
@eric 🤷♂️
It’s regularly I’m on #CrossBorderRail and I’m stuck on one side of a city and need to get to the other side. I’m not arsing around with GPX files for that. Sorry!
@jon One of my favourite features of Strava is the global heatmap. There you can see where people *actually* cycle (or do other sports) and how popular a certain road or path is. I use this info very often in my route planning.
Disclaimer: Strava has more of a sports focus and I can imagine that you don't like its ethics. But for me and my activities (cycling, hiking, skiing, swimming), it's the perfect app in terms of exploring, planning, recording and sharing with others.
@sebwilken @jon On this route it also suggests the North and slightly hilly route. I guess that's where most road cyclists go? Or the algorithm decides that the bump is small enough that the detour isn't worth it as a default?
IIRC there was an option to choose between flattier or hillier although I can't find it on mobile. Maybe that was on Komoot. 🤔
Also it looks like the mobile app is broken (on Android) as I can't edit the route after the fact (cannot add new points, only move them)...
@sebwilken @jon I find the heatmap quite useful in addition to other tools, but I would never use Strava as a standalone routing tool. It doesn't show you anything *but* where cyclists go - not what the route is like, what kind of cyclist uses the route...
I use mapy.cz as a map and for the actual routing, and occasionally check the heatmap as I decide where to go.
@sebwilken @jon Yeah, Mapy lets you choose what type of bike route (road bike, touring, gravel, mountainbike...) you want and gives you a reasonable default route choice for each one.
(as you can see, it also renders designated bike routes on the map in pink, which I find very helpful)
@moritzkraehe @jon Just wanted to point out that ‘it doesn't show you anything’ was maybe a little exaggerated.
That there are more precise tools: Fair enough! However, let's not forget that there are also people who just want to ride a bike and aren't hobby cartographers 🙂
@jon
Nutze Organic Maps für Wanderungen auch in abgelegen Regionen. Wegsuche geht gut und teilen von Routen geht auch.
Alternativ Magic Earth wenn Verkehrsdaten wichtig sind.
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