IMPORTANT
- works anywhere in the EU, and Moldova and edge of Ukraine

IDEALLY
- community driven and/or open source

And sorry, solutions only in a web browser are unlikely good enough. An app based solution for saved routes strikes me as important.

And why am I leaving Komoot behind? As @osma documented, the founders sold out to big money enshittifiers 😭

Based on suggestions from a bunch of people, 3 apps are to be assessed more closely

cycle.travel
Ride with GPS
Organic Maps

First test: home to a friend’s place in a neighbouring village

There are two routes: a longer flat route along the canal, and a shorter hilly route on a road with cars

cycle.travel gives me the canal
The other two the hilly road

First win for cycle.travel

@jon One of my favourite features of Strava is the global heatmap. There you can see where people *actually* cycle (or do other sports) and how popular a certain road or path is. I use this info very often in my route planning.

Disclaimer: Strava has more of a sports focus and I can imagine that you don't like its ethics. But for me and my activities (cycling, hiking, skiing, swimming), it's the perfect app in terms of exploring, planning, recording and sharing with others.

@sebwilken @jon I find the heatmap quite useful in addition to other tools, but I would never use Strava as a standalone routing tool. It doesn't show you anything *but* where cyclists go - not what the route is like, what kind of cyclist uses the route...

I use mapy.cz as a map and for the actual routing, and occasionally check the heatmap as I decide where to go.

@moritzkraehe @jon Just wanted to point out that ‘it doesn't show you anything’ was maybe a little exaggerated.

That there are more precise tools: Fair enough! However, let's not forget that there are also people who just want to ride a bike and aren't hobby cartographers 🙂