621: I'll Meet You Any Time You Want
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Accidental Tech Podcast: 621: I’ll Meet You Any Time You Want

Three nerds discussing tech, Apple, programming, and loosely related matters.

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I'm not sure why it sounds surprising for Nvidia to be in the CPU/SoC game.

Nvidia has probably already shipped over 150 million ARM SoC chips, and they tried to buy ARM. They are clearly invested in the space.

Once Intel's exclusivity agreement with Qualcomm ends, I'm sure we'll eventually see Windows machines with Nvidia SoCs.

Soon we'll probably see what the Switch 2's SoC looks like, which is also expected to be Nvidia.

@dschaub @atpfm @siracusa Alluded to but unsaid is that the 150 million shipped ARM SOCs are (primarily) in the first/current Nintendo Switch. And maybe some in their Shield tablets.
@atpfm #AskATP in this episode all 3 use the term “Googling” some people use this term generically to mean searching the web. Curious what all 3 use as your search engine or if you use more than 1, what do you search for on which search engine.
@atpfm as a guy who’s always thinking about learning iOS development to make custom apps for my ice cream shop, I might have to start joining the livestream/chat more often

@atpfm fwiw here's what it's like on the other side of the wall.

A quick search suggests that you can use assistant to summarise your notifications, but the summary from Google ('s large data centre, server powered LLM) gets this wrong as these are instructions for Android Auto. At least on a Samsung phone it's also not built into the system (and I don't think it is on the any version of Android yet).

Android being android means there are apps for this that can read and edit your notifications if you give them permission and provide their own summaries in place of the original.

No, I've not tried it yet as summarising notifications on my phone isn't something I've been desperate for, in part just due to the differences in how Android and iOS handled notifications before.

I'm not sure who Apple are playing catch up to here, and why they're rushing this particular feature.

@atpfm lucky Casey! My AirPods Pro 2 just randomly stop charging one side for a couple days every couple of months, but I only get (or notice) indicia of that a few hours later when the new state is (100%|1%).
@atpfm @siracusa in the proposed member special, do you show Marco the previous two movies, or is it more entertaining without any context?
@fraserhess @siracusa I kinda want to show him _Wrath of Khan_ first, but honestly, it'll be more entertaining (read: more of a train wreck) if we just jump right in
@fraserhess Like I said, we're not embarking on a Star Trek education. It's just the one movie for the special.

@atpfm why do you leave the case charging sounds on? Do they not annoy you and your other halves when you charge them at bedtime (assuming you charge them at that time)?

First thing I did was search for the way to prevent them from making those noises.

@atpfm RE DLSS speed.

DLSS used to use a convolutional neural network, which you can run at high frame rates on consumer HW. Here's Yann LeCun demoing CNNs in 1989 in near real time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwFduRA_L6Q

NVIDIA makes further optimisations to squeeze their DLSS models so that they are sufficiently fast. They use techniques such as pruning, distillation and quantisation.

Commercial LLMs like ChatGPT don't undergo the same level of aggressive parameter optimisation.

Convolutional Network Demo from 1989

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@atpfm Congratulations @marcoarment and Tiff on the new venture! You’re doing it for the right reasons, and I’m confident you’ll make it a success. Also, I’m pretty excited to hear your perspective on tech from a new angle with this. Should be a fun ride! Good luck.

@atpfm @caseyliss the AirPods thing is ear wax gunk. clean the case and buy replacement earbuds from Apple (not too pricy).

This answer is TMI, so you’ll never find it online. But they do sell the replacement ear buds…

@atpfm The menu should only be accessible on a virtual page that hovers above the table inside a Vision Pro headset
@atpfm have you guys had any thoughts on how long one must remain a patron before advancement to ATP Fellow?
@atpfm I disagree with Marco. I think his new purchase is much worse than buying a boat :-)
@atpfm Just listened and am very happy for @marcoarment That was a great decision #nospoilers
@atpfm I'm so proud that, within seconds, I correctly guessed what @marcoarment bought. Maybe because that's also a type of purchase I have daydreamed about making 😅 I haven't given in yet, though…
@atpfm we have now entered the universe where instead of Marco getting bored and buying a yacht he instead buys a ferryboat for legitimate business supply transport reasons.
@atpfm @siracusa I wonder if the corrugated particleboard appearance of the Nvidia Digits is meant to evoke the Pixar Image Computer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixar_Image_Computer#/media/File:PixarImageComputerP2OpenHouse.jpg
Pixar Image Computer - Wikipedia

@atpfm overtime member here 🙋🏻‍♂️

My reaction: HOLY fucking shit

@atpfm @siracusa covered many of the relevant CES announcements, but may still be interested in this recap blog post, from someone who covers HDR displays from the perspective of editing photos in the HDR space:

https://gregbenzphotography.com/hdr-photos/the-latest-hdr-trends-at-ces-2025/

The latest HDR trends at CES 2025 - Greg Benz Photography

I just got back from a couple of exciting days at CES 2025. If you aren't familiar with the Consumer Electronics Show, it is one of the largest trade shows in the world and is where new monitors and TV are often announced. So it's a great way to get some first-hand experience with a

Greg Benz Photography - Luminosity Masking, HDR, Photoshop Tutorials, and cityscape and landscape photography
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@caseyliss I don’t think I’ve heard the AirPods sound you’re describing but I found this today… could the sound be related to the new hearing test feature?
@atpfm @siracusa Great episode! One contribution I can make: You missed what is arguably the most significant technical aspect of DLSS Frame Generation (introduced in DLSS3): it is not extrapolating the next frame based on the previous frame(s), but rather *interpolating between* rendered frames. This reduces error by leaps and bounds.

Hold up a second, what? How is it possible to add a frame *before* the one being shown? Did they invent a time machine? Well, no. /1
@atpfm @siracusa The answer is that about a half a frame of latency is added to the display pipeline. After a frame has completed rendering, the display pipeline delays it half a cycle until the next frame is about halfway through rendering. Another half cycle later the next frame is done, and DLSS runs the relatively quick interpolation step and it immediately displays the generated frame. Another half cycle later the frame that previously finished can now be displayed. Rinse, repeat. /2
@atpfm @siracusa This description is not entirely accurate, because there is additional latency in all rendering pipelines. This is why DLSS3 was rolled out with another piece of technology called Reflex that reduces latency. Many discussions about DLSS3 in the gaming community have examined the final latency hit. It wasn't really designed to double the frame rate of games running at 30fps, but rather games running at 60fps or higher (increased to 120+), where the latency hit is smaller. /3
@atpfm @siracusa Good video here, from the graphics detectives at Digital Foundry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pV93XhiC1Y /end
Nvidia DLSS 3 on RTX 4090 - Exclusive First Look - 4K 120FPS and Beyond

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@atpfm congratulations @marcoarment
I vote on coke, free food for John and Casey, and free 2nd drink for ATP members 😂
Now seriously, I like the way you think and don’t need to wish you good luck, you will succeed!
@atpfm @marcoarment Congratulation! I’m a NYCer and hope to visit to support. Best of luck.
@atpfm @marcoarment Also… 100% yes to @siracusa recommendation of doing every job. 🤘🏻 Expect reports on the show in time 😂

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First of all, congratulations Tiff and @marcoarment!
I am wishing you all the best for the restaurant.

Since nobody else asked:
What is the current and future coffee situation in the établissement? Is coffee served there? How is it made? Would you drink it? Is it subject to change?

@atpfm re the summarisation icon - it’s a shame they got rid of the Siri icon with the new look, that could’ve been a distinctive “Siri (Apple AI) says the notifications say this…” - albeit of course leaving it open to being more negative equity for the Siri ‘brand’

@atpfm Aftershow reaction shot…

Good luck, @marcoarment and Tiff!

@atpfm I look forward to the final episode of ATP, in which John reviews the restaurant
@martyyyn @atpfm “I got an inside look at the kitchen, and you won’t BELIEVE which toaster oven they have back there!”
@martyyyn @atpfm Can’t wait for John to eviscerste the quality of the pizza
@martyyyn @atpfm @caseyliss Title: “And Such Small Portions”
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“The One About the Restaurant”
“The Gang Gets a Free Meal”
“Guess Who's Coming to Criticize Dinner?”
“Full Siracusa”
“One for the Road”
@martyyyn @siracusa @caseyliss omg the review will be brutal and hilarious

@atpfm Such a great episode. I’m here for Accidental Restaurant Podcast, or Top4 restaurant jobs, with @marcoarment and Tiff.

I also like that Marco has found a way to own new and exciting outside areas, presumably to place indoor-only electrical equipment 🤣

@atpfm Why did I think @marcoarment had moved off of Fire Island? I thought there was a whole series of "moving to new house” discussions.
@atpfm One thought I had during the new Mouse segment in regards to wireless charging via mousepads: it enables the triumphant return of AirPower. It would be interesting if they released a mouse pad form factor that could charge any Apple device capable of wireless charging. When just the Mouse was on it, you could enable Optizimed Battery Charging to make sure the battery is automatically managed by the AirPower Pad.