Speaking of things that don’t work – I’ve always used and liked 1Password, but for the past year or so their Safari extension has barely worked for me on Mac and iPad. It regularly fails to authenticate or just never comes up.

Sad, but not surprised, to see that their Vision Pro experience with compatibility mode doesn’t work out of the box either with Safari. I get this empty spinner that never goes away 🤷‍♂️

I may have to finally consider other options for personal and team use. 😔

@viticci 1Password has been doing everything in their power to convince their [non-enterprise] users to find alternatives.

@caseyliss @viticci

I’m slowly transitioning to Apple’s Keychain/Passwords for personal use. It has many of it’s own issues and missing features, but it works well for the basic username/password/TFA stuff. Passkeys work decently when they’re available.

My first step was to turn off 1Password’s Safari integration and manually copy passwords. I’m doing that less and less as keychain is filled up, eventually I’ll be able to delete my 1P account.

@Unfed same but it’s such a chore 😩
@frankfuentes @Unfed I managed to do export/import. Did the same to Keypass just in case but I’m very rarely using it.
@caseyliss @viticci 100%
I implemented Bitwarden at my company last year and honestly I might consider using it personally soon if 1P keeps on its current path
@caseyliss @viticci True. I love #1Password for work, where there are preciously few serious alternatives for my non-programmer colleagues, but privately there’s really no reason to use it over Apple’s built-in Passwords - except of course for a few credentials for cross-platform use: My gaming computer runs #Fedora since my #AppleSilicon compatible #Mac #Steam library consists of about three games - non-native to boot.

@caseyliss @viticci

🙋🏻‍♂️Enterprise user here also ready to switch. Their steady march of unreliability is maddening.

@caseyliss @viticci I AM an enterprise user and even I’d like to find an alternative.
@caseyliss @viticci it does seem that way. I wish Apple would make a standalone password app. I’m not certain why it makes me nervous how Apple has it set up but it does. I do like 1Password having everything in one app (notes with attachments, software licenses, etc.) but the browser integration is unreliable enough that it’s annoying.
@caseyliss @viticci the 1Password autofill for iOS has not been great lately. There’s a bug with Face ID where it almost always fails initially and has to re-attempt. They’ve been aware of it for a couple months to boot 😔

@caseyliss @viticci

Enterprise than insists on monthly flush and reset of passwords is a prime mark, I mean customer.

IRL most are not so paranoid, more forgetful.

However, it is a good idea for a gateway to ask for a password, to help those using it as a key to remember it at all.

I don’t think anyone on either side really intended passwords to be a continuous game of reset tag.

@caseyliss @viticci I have to be honest, 1Password saved my bacon on Vision Pro. It actually autofilled all my passwords -- but not my two-factor codes 🙃

Still, I do feel the pull of just using Apple's password management at this point, now that passwords can be shared

@jsnell @caseyliss @viticci I’ve switched completely from 1Password to iCloud Passwords and it’s great.

Still need categories like secure doc numbers (passports) or WiFi passwords (you *have* to add a website url to create an entry), but otherwise love it.

@stephenrobles @jsnell @caseyliss @viticci I’m tempted to do this as well, but my mom almost knows how to use 1password 5 years later, and I hate to change it now. 😂
@TeeeBear that’s a big reason to stay for sure.
@stephenrobles I thought we were better than we are, apparently. 🤦‍♀️
@TeeeBear haha it's ok, the time has not yet come
@stephenrobles @jsnell @caseyliss @viticci I’ve been slowly migrating that sort of information into secure Notes in preparation for a possible move away from 1Password. Definitely not as nice as the bespoke solution that 1Password offers but possibly good enough.
@jsnell @caseyliss @viticci I've switched. It's relatively painless and way smoother in everyday use.
@jsnell @caseyliss @viticci The only reason haven’t switched is that I desperately need the cross-platform access to use on my work PC (eew, I know).
@jerrod @jsnell @caseyliss @viticci This, and little things like additional fields and multiple URLs. It’s insane Apple’s password manager doesn’t support multiple URLs (or the ability to edit the URL after creation). I’ve tried to switch, but it’s just too there yet.
@jsnell @caseyliss @viticci Looking forward to switching if Apple supports Firefox on Windows like they support Chromium browsers. 🤞
@jsnell @caseyliss @viticci I switched after death by a thousand cuts from 1Password. It’s been working great, and the windows version is serviceable enough for the little I need it. Adding the ability to use it in Chrome in MacOS removed the last bit of friction for me.
@jsnell 1Password copies your two-factor code to your paste buffer when it fills your password. When you get to the screen asking for the code, long pinch (that feels weird to write) and select “paste”.
@scotthill ok ... but on all other Apple devices it just autofills....
@jsnell Agreed, it would be better that way. I did write to their support about another bug, and they replied (without a date commitment of any kind) that they're working on a Vision Pro-native app.

@jsnell @caseyliss @viticci I tried switching, but Apple keychain only supports one login per url (making google stuff a nightmare). So I had to switch back.

I have really turned around on 1pass. It used to be the best app I owned…now it’s just trash. I have the same issues Viticci has with the extension, and it’s infuriating.

@TheJesusFish @jsnell @caseyliss @viticci would that be specific to the AVP? Because on MacOS, IOS and IPadOS you can have many logins per url 🤔

@marcmagnin They may have updated it since I last tried (which was the release of sonoma), but that was one of the restrictions.

Another was that the file 1password exports needs to be proofread to make sure all the passwords are formatted correctly because password import will fail silently, and not tell you which passwords failed to import.

@caseyliss @viticci I like iCloud Passwords a lot in terms of functionality but I wish I could store entries that don’t have a URL/website tied to it.
@caseyliss @viticci I’m about convinced to put a copy of v6 back on my machine for license keys and other secure notes and just commit to keychain for everything else. Family sharing is still a hint less friendly than I’d like but I expect that will improve… unlike everything about 1P for the last year or two.
@caseyliss I use it with Chrome and don’t have any issues at all. And it generally feels nicer than LastPass which I moved from. Does their Safari integration just suck?
@caseyliss @viticci I’m on a very weird corporate macOS image and always just figured that 1Password being bad was a “me” thing. It doesn’t work in Safari on Mac about 80% of the time for me.
@caseyliss @viticci 1P is still good for me, I’m a user since forever. Had to use Dashlane at my last job and disliked it with a passion.

@caseyliss @viticci 🙋🏼‍♂️

I’ve been slowly transitioning to iCloud shared passwords from 1Password. Just realized that I could probably just disable the extension and see how that goes.

@caseyliss @viticci Migrated a few years ago to Vaultwarden (selfhosted Bitwarden) and couldn’t be happier with that decision!
@caseyliss @viticci I’m an enterprise customer, and also looking for alternatives.

@caseyliss After a long time avoiding it I finally moved over to iCloud Keychain and haven’t looked back. The addition of a replacement for 1Password shared vaults made it possible.

I did some content work with the 1Password team years ago and they’re great. But the app’s lost its way of late.

@caseyliss @viticci I switched myself away from 1Password last week and my folks today so we can end our family plan. My folks struggled to take to 1Password, and iCloud feels just a few updates away from perfect
@caseyliss @viticci I just need a simple cross platform password manager.
Every company doing them has feature creep.
One thing done well unfortunately doesn’t make money it seems.