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Remember when Mozilla made a web browser?

Mozilla 2023 Annual Report: CEO pay skyrockets, while Firefox Marketshare nosedives:

Earlier this year, Mozilla laid out their vision for the future of their organization -- and it did not include Firefox....
https://jwz.org/b/ykH2

Remember when Mozilla made a web browser?

Mozilla 2023 Annual Report: CEO pay skyrockets, while Firefox Marketshare nosedives: Earlier this year, Mozilla laid out their vision for the future of their organization -- and it did not include Firefox. The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services. In fact, Mozilla leadership stated, quite plainly, that they ...

Dec 29, 2023 at 7:40pmjwz.org
Show threadjwzDec 29, 2023
P.S. don't use Chrome. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Show threadSlightlyCyberpunkDec 29, 2023
@jwz It'd be great if there was any widely supported browser that WASN'T trying to sell some kind of scam....ugh.
Show threadFinchHaven sfbaDec 29, 2023

@jwz

So

Brave then?

Or what?

Pretty easy to keep throwing down "donts" when you never have to come up with a "do"

Oh

_____@______:~$ firefox -v
Mozilla Firefox 121.0

Show threadjwzDec 29, 2023

@FinchHaven
No, I really, absolutely, for sure do not have to do that.

At all.

"Thing X is Bad and Fucked" can be true even if I have nothing to say about Thing Y.

Show threadFinchHaven sfbaDec 29, 2023

@jwz

It's at least easy

True is debatable

Show threadjwzDec 29, 2023

Elsewhere I saw someone post this image as a *defense of* rather than *parody of* Mozilla's corporate structure. Apparently this infographic comes from somewhere deep within the comically un-navigable "stateof.mozilla.org" (seriously, that site's design is like the "don't" list for the modern web's ills.)

"This is where the Innovation goes in."

Show threadDaniel 🏳️‍🌈 Jilg Dec 29, 2023
@jwz AI.
Show threaddokujaDec 29, 2023
@jwz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnzLconK4Tw&t=74s
Powerhouse

YouTube
Show threadRobert BrewerDec 29, 2023
@jwz "This is where impact goes to die."
Show threadkfringeDec 29, 2023
@jwz No. This can't be real. For one thing, there are too many balls in the blue scrotum. For another, the royalties penis is comically undersized.
Show threada pile of mossDec 29, 2023

@jwz bit like am i gonna use chrome? Edge? Brave and its cryptoshit?

I could use safari but i also use Linux so like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Show threadYusef NaporaDec 29, 2023
@jwz innovation is stored in the balls
Show threadBen RosengartDec 29, 2023
@yusef @jwz now I’m thinking about Cynthia Ozick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLFQ5wQOY-g
Cynthia Ozick Asks Norman Mailer About Dipping His Balls in Ink

YouTube
Show threadkylegroveDec 29, 2023
@jwz @Migueldeicaza “after which it mixes together with the impact.”
Show threadBen EsquivelDec 29, 2023
@jwz cringe level off the charts.
Show threadMax WainwrightDec 29, 2023
@jwz that Al guy must be working a lot to be one of four circles. Good job, Al!
Show thread Mima-samaDec 30, 2023
@jwz That image just makes Mozilla look to me like some sort of corp trying to scam the IRS with its "non-profit" bullshit. ​​ Like I sensed before already that Mozilla's structure is pretty questionable, but this image just solidified my belief ​​
Show threadHaelwenn /элвэн/ Dec 30, 2023
@jwz Meaning that instead of what Mozilla supporters are saying, Firefox sits on both (donation + search revenue), how surprising.
Show threadjordanDec 30, 2023
@jwz The main thing I get from this diagram is that a purple Care Bear ate a blue one
Show threadamericanjeffDec 29, 2023
@jwz Oh great, and I just switched to firefox
Show threadBrian DorseyDec 29, 2023
@americanjeff Same. :/
Show threadwac Dec 29, 2023

@briandorsey @americanjeff Same same 🤷

I just want to be able to view content on my phone without 90% of the screen being ads and/or autoplay video.

Show threadGorgeous na Shock!Dec 29, 2023
@briandorsey @americanjeff I mean, marketshare is a lagging indicator... I imagine it'll be much higher this time next year, once Chrome shuts off adblock.
Show threadThom, exceedingly pureDec 29, 2023
@jwz Dude, you're linking to known and openly nazi Brian Lunduke. Wtf?
Show threadjz.tuskDec 29, 2023

@thomholwerda @jwz

Yikes. I don't know the guy, but my initial research gives of a strong whiff of grift.

But I wouldn't be surprised if there were problems like this at Mozilla. Would love to see a better source cover this.

Show threadThom, exceedingly pureDec 29, 2023
@jztusk @jwz Oh problems, for sure. Still not a great idea to link to a known nazi.
Show threadjz.tuskDec 29, 2023

@thomholwerda @jwz

Do you have some straightforward evidence of "Nazi"? I've gotten the "right wing grifter" scent, but nothing explicitly Nazi as of yet. (I only became aware of the guy hours ago.)

Linking in something like that right here could really streamline the discussion we're having here. Thanks.

Show threadjwzDec 29, 2023
@jztusk @thomholwerda I have no idea who this guy is, but he linked to primary sources and drew the obvious conclusions. If you have dispute about the numbers in the annual report from *Mozilla itself* I'd sure love to hear about that.
Show threadjz.tuskDec 29, 2023

@jwz @thomholwerda

I've no time to dive deep, but over on this thread

https://mastodon.social/@kotnik/111664836177365056

there's a lot of questioning of how much "no mention of Firefox" in that one document means. "The obvious conclusions" might just be "my prejudices".

Show threadjwzDec 29, 2023
@jztusk If you want to make the claim that the collection of shell companies that all call themselves Mozilla are focused on making the web browser succeed, go for it -- because from all available evidence, that is very much [citation needed].
Show threadThom, exceedingly pureDec 29, 2023

@jwz @jztusk I don't contest any of the numbers. I contest the fact you're linking to a known nazi.

This has some serious "but he made the trains run on time" vibes.

Show threadJon (now at neuromatch.social)Dec 29, 2023

Yeah really. @jwz one of the reasons why I continue to support @dnalounge even though I no longer live in SF is because I respect the strong stance you've taken against Nazi and Nazi-adjacent bands. So even though I agree there's a *lot* to critique about Mozilla it's disappointing to see you amplifying and linking to this person.

{EDIT: of course that's not the only reason I support DNA Lounge, there's also Death Guild, but still.]

@thomholwerda
@jztusk

Show threadPinchitoDec 29, 2023
@thomholwerda @jwz Why is he a nazi? He seems to dislike them a healthy amount: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4993328/who-is-the-real-first-computer-programmer plus he is Jewish apparently: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/unb6uy/what_happened_to_bryan_lunduke/?rdt=54586
Who is the (real) first Computer Programmer?

Connect with Lunduke and other members of Lunduke community

Show threadophiocephalic 🐍Dec 29, 2023
@pinchito @thomholwerda @jwz
Oh, he's a fascist all right
https://chaos.social/@frumble/104276585101826469
Maxi 8x 💉 (@[email protected])

Content warning: Lunduke dreht frei

chaos.social
Show threadPinchitoDec 29, 2023
@ophiocephalic @thomholwerda @jwz still not a Nazi. Words matter!
Show threadophiocephalic 🐍Dec 29, 2023

@pinchito @thomholwerda @jwz
Here are the words that matter the most:

Fuck nazis
Fuck fascists
Don't platform nazis and fascists

Show threadjz.tuskDec 29, 2023

@pinchito @thomholwerda @jwz

That doesn't need to be a bar. For instance, Stephen Miller is Jewish, and a vile Nazi fuck at the same time.

Show threadSimounetDec 29, 2023
@jwz Really, really sad about it… 😪
Show threadBoredomFestivalDec 29, 2023
@jwz what the actual fuckin fuck, that's like the Red Cross deciding to abandon modern medicine and focus on homeopathy instead
Show threadIngo PaschkeDec 30, 2023
@BoredomFestival @jwz They are seemingly already committing war crimes, so I wouldn't be that surprised...
Show threadDigital Mark λ ☕️ 🚀 🌗Dec 29, 2023
@jwz If all of us who had even a shred of ethics stayed in tech, the scumbags would still have screwed things up this bad. And probably robbed us of any cash since we're not willing to do what they do. So bailing on the shit was the only sane choice left.
Show threadSimoto 🏴‍☠️Dec 29, 2023
@jwz it's sad really
Show threadgavinisdie Dec 29, 2023
@jwz I swear if you want a non evil supporting browser experience you have to literally code one for yourself from scratch
Show threadOfficer-involved poopingDec 29, 2023
@jwz it's intriguing that there isn't a widely adopted FOSS browser not led by 10-ton bureaucracy.
Not sure what that says about people, the web/economic system built on top, etc..
Show threadtibiDec 29, 2023
@jwz I miss those cheeky faux socialist posters from back in the day
Show threadWilliam GunnDec 29, 2023
@jwz FWIW, Mozilla's post doesn't give me that vibe, and I've written many documents like that one, so I understand how they're written. They're simply talking more about the exciting stuff in a forward-looking post.
Show threadpixelat3dDec 29, 2023

@williamgunn @jwz Exactly. This appears to be just another case of "I like hot dogs" being translated into "Why do you hate hamburgers!?!"

Internet outrage machine go zoom 🏎️~

Show threadFardels BearDec 29, 2023

@jwz

Mozilla has swallowed the AI Kool-Aid.

Show threadcameronbosch Dec 29, 2023
@jwz I don't use Chrome, but I never planned on using Firefox again. Now I definitely won't.
Show threadAriadne Conill 🐰Dec 29, 2023
@jwz @foxhkron while the conclusions are correct, I do ponder whether we should be driving traffic to Bryan Lunduke, who is basically an alt-right tech personality.
Show threadAmolithDec 29, 2023
@jwz a broken clock may be right twice a day, but Lunduke is an absolute shithead who doesn't deserve the clicks. Please consider removing this or at least including a disclaimer
Show threadMatt GoddenDec 29, 2023

@jwz I remember when Mozilla made a web browser:
- that didn’t use the system’s dictionary for spell check.
- whose official non-US English language packs didn’t work for its own built-in spell check.
- which didn’t provide a visual indication of Private Browsing Mode if reasonable security settings were normally enabled.
- that put preferences in a browser tab, rather than a preferences window UI.

Chrome, sadly is the new IE, and it won that by being a better application.

Show threadbassplayerDec 29, 2023

@jwz All browsers have baggage. There are others with better privacy scores

https://privacytests.org/private.html

Show threadjwzDec 29, 2023
@bassplayer I have no idea what point you are trying to make, but it sure seems irrelevant.
Show threadbassplayerDec 29, 2023
@jwz Its entirely possible. To be more clear, like operating systems, browsers and the companies that create them are not perfect. Use the best one that fits your threat model. There are others out there that have better privacy than firefox
Show threadhazelnot Dec 30, 2023
@bassplayer @jwz Literally every other browser uses the same engine as Chrome. If Firefox dies Google gains a complete monopoly on the web.
Show threadbassplayerDec 30, 2023
@hazelnot @jwz It was my understanding that Chrome is Google's packing of the open source chromium project similar to edge. Mulvad and Vivaldi do the same but don't include Google evilness which in my mind is similar to running Graphine or CalyxOS on your Google pixel. I was told chromium is based off of Apple's webkit. So it's true FF's gecko engine is the only non chromium engine out there. But I don't think Google gets anything out of you running Mulvad. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Show threadhazelnot Dec 30, 2023

@bassplayer @jwz Chromium is controlled by Google in the first place, and by using any Chromium-based browser you're giving them even more power over the web

You're right though, Safari doesn't use Chromium and at this point even WebKit is better (despite Blink being derived from it), but... yeah.

Also, Mullvad Browser is based on Firefox, so that's probably alright but at that point might as well just use Firefox lol

Show threadbassplayerDec 30, 2023

@hazelnot @jwz

Also, Mullvad Browser is based on Firefox...

Normally I would agree to this but based on privacytests.org Mulvad scores 13 over Firefox's 121 so out of the box it would seem Mulvad is more secure. You can probably tweak it to be similar but why force non technical folks to do so.

Kubernetes is open source and google controls that. It effectively is the defacto standard for container orchestration. Is there not a SIG controlling chromium?

Not trying to be a dick, just curious