Eugen RochkoIf you’ve got questions about what interoperability with #Threads means, we wrote this up back in July, and you can still refer to it:
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
FreddyMake no mistake, this is huge for Mastodon. Currently people have to choose between X, Mastodon, and Threads, and network effects play a dominant role in that choice. If we can say, you can access all the folks that went to Threads from a Mastodon account, that makes it a far more attractive option given all of its other perks 😉
Graham Downs@Gargron I, for one, am looking forward to this. It's one more nail in X's coffin. Some of my friends moved to Threads, so now I can follow them again.
Others moved to Bluesky. I can't follow them YET, but it seems they're also trialling federation, so I might be able to soon.
Pretty soon, anyone still on X and nowhere else is really going to start feeling the isolation.
Andrew 
@GrahamDowns @Gargron oh but you can :)
@aoc.bsky.social @jay.bsky.team etc
and if you thought that was cool, how about following X accounts on the Fediverse? @elonmusk
@spiritedpause @Gargron That's incredible!
Is that a two-way thing? Can those bsky people follow me back? And if I reply to their posts, will see my replies and be able to reply back?
And how do I know whether to use bsky.social or bsky.team? Or are they interchangeable?
@spiritedpause And oh yes, I know about bird.makeup. But that's just one-way. I'm looking for full two-way interaction. It looks like that's what Threads wants to offer us. @Gargron
@GrahamDowns @Gargron It's only one way right now until Bluesky turns on their federation. Once they do, they'll be able to see replies from Mastodon accounts, since this bridge will create a Bluesky profile that mirrors your Mastodon account and its posts/replies.
bsky.social and bsky.team are just different "instances" on bluesky. Just so happens that AOC uses the bsky.social instance that most users do, while Bluesky team members use bsky.team
@spiritedpause Ah. OK, cool. I get it now. Shows how little I know about Bluesky. ;-) @Gargron
73 million seconds@spiritedpause @GrahamDowns they are not different instances, bluesky only has one instance for now because it has no federation working in production yet. the domain of a bluesky handle is unrelated to instances.
@73ms @GrahamDowns Ah yeah good catch, my mistake.
Andrea Grandi 🦕@GrahamDowns @Gargron you won't be able to follow people on Bluesky "ever". The federation there is only among bluesky's servers. They use a completely different protocol, by choice 🤷🏻♂️
Joshua Barretto@jsbarretto @GrahamDowns @Gargron correct. Bridges exist already I think. But you need a third party thing to connect the two.
@andreagrandi @GrahamDowns @Gargron But Bluesky could easily build just a bridging layer into their infrastructure if they wanted to.
@jsbarretto See this other reply to me: https://fosstodon.org/@spiritedpause/111577510455075260
There is already a bridge between the fediverse and Bluesky. It's one-way right now, but it's all ready to become two-way when they're done with their federation experiments. As I understand it, anyway. :-)
Andrew :fediverse: (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] It's only one way right now until Bluesky turns on their federation. Once they do, they'll be able to see replies from Mastodon accounts, since this bridge will create a Bluesky profile that mirrors your Mastodon account and its posts/replies. bsky.social and bsky.team are just different "instances" on bluesky. Just so happens that AOC uses the bsky.social instance that most users do, while Bluesky team members use bsky.team
An-Tim Nguyen 
@Gargron that's also my take. I am curious to see what Threads quote posts would look like on Mastodon though. (Still personally really excited about that roadmap item.)
⁂Krafty⁂ #NoKings@antimnguyen @Gargron there is already Fediverse software that supports quotes so probably something similar to Pleroma?
@tkk13909 @Gargron other Fediverse platforms with quote posting indeed exist, but I was hoping to address the claim that this was good for Mastodon, where Mastodon does have many perks compared to Threads, but quote posting is a significant feature difference between both Threads and Mastodon when it comes to interoperability. (But again, I am aware that this is a roadmap item so it will be eventually addressed.)
@antimnguyen @Gargron and I'm saying that you can already see quote posts on Mastodon so it'll probably look like how it does currently until something changes.
@antimnguyen @Gargron well quote posts from other platforms don't necessarily show up how you would expect them to in Mastodon similar to how Lemmy threads technically show up properly in the Mastodon app IIRC. Mastodon doesn't have either of the features but since it's using ActivityPub, it can still see the posts.
MJ@Gargron yes, I'd like to keep my home base here, but have access to the other platforms through the bridges. Hopefully, everyone behaves.
Arataka@Gargron except for the trigger happy admins already blocking threads for whatever reason lol
☣️ akaasjager ☣️@Arataka @Gargron there are many who suspect Meta from doing to Mastodon what eg Google did to XMPP and will do what they can to prevent it: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
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Androcat
ACCOUNT MOVED
Hanno Terbuyken@Gargron Also puts pressure on Bluesky (which has some traction in some German bubbles) to federate fast, too.
Braw ☕🏳️🌈
Daniel Lo Nigro 🇦🇺
jaryl@Gargron do we really believe that they are doing this because they believe in supporting the fediverse?
@jaryl @Gargron Counterpoint: all those folks on corporate social media will now be exposed to the Fediverse and some percentage will decide Masto is a better option since they can still communicate with their existing connections. Just because corporations have a plan doesn’t mean they will succeed.
Octavia Con Amore 
Succubard's Library
🄯 CarlOS@Gargron i totally agree. I think this could be a great boost for Mastodon.
Yuki 🏳️🌈🇨🇦💕💕💕@Gargron
Welcome your corporate overlord! All hail lord Zuckerturd!
Welcome your corporate overlord! All hail lord Zuckerturd!
Sonnenbrand@Gargron Threads' still not globally available
Wiredfire 
@Sonnenbrand @Gargron indeed as their data handling doesn’t comply with EU rules.
This would at least be something of a workaround for EU folk to follow Threads users (setting aside the concerns over Threads data handling for a moment)
Hadeur@Sonnenbrand @Gargron EU launch is in 2 hours, though.
Darnell Clayton 
@Gargron This is awesome! I was able to follow @mosseri from my #Mastodon, #Misskey & #Pixelfed accounts!
This is huge, especially when you consider many people, politicians & brands on #Threads will consider setting up their own instances under their own domain & connect with the rest of the #Fediverse!
Also with prominent sites using #WordPress, we could see everyone from #NASA to the #WhiteHouse join the Fediverse (pending activation of the #ActivityPub plugin).
Trek@darnell isn't the wordpress plugin already active?
@trekman10 For some sites that installed the plugin yes. Many have yet to install it though.
@darnell speaking of which, recommend any?
Ben Ramsey
DesRoin 
@ramsey @Gargron #Threads is only activating #ActivityPub for select accounts like @mosseri for testing purposes. The rest are not active yet.
#Flipboard is doing something similar (see @mike & @espn).
haui ☭
🇵🇸@Gargron one thing that just comes to mind is zombie accounts.
Since #greedflation and the other atrocities I have #negativetrust in corporations. This means if they do something like this, I assume malice.
Now I figured what could happen:
- put ads in every 2nd post of #threads to fedi federation
- do federation only reading so you cant see threads posts on mastodon but both on threads = people leave
- spam the fediverse with bot accounts that sway public opinion like facebook
AURonline 🏡@AUROnline @Gargron I mentioned three things and neither reading nor swaying public opinion can be helped with blocking since one instance wont change that.
What we need is discussion. About what might happen and how we‘re gonna deal with it as a majority, not each fending for themselves.
Toni Aittoniemi@gimulnautti
I agree. That makes the problem go away for me. But it doesnt go away for the other, more gullible people.
And that is why this thinking has brought us nothing but harm. Just because the problem goes away for one person does not mean it goes away.
So, i think we should absolutely have a discussion about collectively defederating threads if they misstep - once.
🏳️🌈Quin@Gargron the argument works also the other way round.
If I can get the fediverse from my data collection site of choice, I have no motivation to make an account on mastodon.
If I can get the fediverse from my data collection site of choice, I have no motivation to make an account on mastodon.
Tim Chambers@tchambers @Gargron undoubtedly. They are however seemingly irrelevant for the vast amounts of people clinging to the alternatives.
@einalex @tchambers @Gargron Are you suggesting that those people who are perfectly happy on corporate social media be *forced* to switch to something you think is “better” somehow?