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Ty~@Gargron I can't say I agree with you. The whole point of the federated social media platform was to move away from big corporation controlled social media - threads is STILL Meta after all. I'm all for progress, but with Meta???? eehhhh
::cel@tyberry The point of federated is... federated. That's all.
You can on Tumblr, Wordpress, Mastodon.social, Misskey.design, etc but still can be connected towards each other while maintaining core rules and community.
Especially, if you comes from underrepresented culture. Limited federation won't promote our culture into global view.
Just take a look at TikTok. Sikkim people from Northeast India, Flores people from Indonesia, Kartvelians from Georgia, or Merina group from Madagascar can promote their culture globally via algorithm, which Mastodon, Misskey, and other self-hosted FOSS alternative doesn't have.
You can on Tumblr, Wordpress, Mastodon.social, Misskey.design, etc but still can be connected towards each other while maintaining core rules and community.
Especially, if you comes from underrepresented culture. Limited federation won't promote our culture into global view.
Just take a look at TikTok. Sikkim people from Northeast India, Flores people from Indonesia, Kartvelians from Georgia, or Merina group from Madagascar can promote their culture globally via algorithm, which Mastodon, Misskey, and other self-hosted FOSS alternative doesn't have.
Fabianใใใกใใขใณใ๐ณ๏ธโ๐@tyberry how is it controlling you if you can federate with them without accounts on their service? 
@fabiscafe I never said it was controlling me? I'm talking about how Meta is toxic due to being a huge corporation.
@tyberry yes, and that wont change. I'm curious what's your point?
@fabiscafe half the point of the fediverse is lost on a lot of us..
@tyberry yeah. This is the point where the fediverse will split in fedi and blockiverse.
@fabiscafe what kind of response is this? How can you accept such a huge coporation which has done nothing but harm it's users, into the fediverse so willingly? Asking honestly here.
@tyberry because I joined the fediverse in the hope to have, one day, the option to talk to people of other networks.
Wilfried Klaebe@fabiscafe Threads is not a network though, but a large monolith.
Firepal3D@wonka how is threads interop different from the interoperability of other fedi services? (Pixelfed, Lemmy)
it's just like any other custom ActivityPub server, right?
@Firepal3D Likely, but with 170 million users, which is, as far as I know, a multiple of what the rest of the fediverse has.
anion@Gargron we can have an interoperable social web without the likes of zuckerberg and his ethically questionable and privacy invasive platforms. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt because he's already proved that he doesn't deserve it time and time again
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho@ionisland There is no doubt. There's nothing they can do as a federated platform that they couldn't do before.
Lance Homer
Bernie The Wordsmith@lancehomer @Gargron @mosseri Mosseri mentioned they are doing this as a first step. I think they need to tune some stuff because their user amount is bonkers
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Joshua Barretto@oliver @lancehomer I admit I'm a little suspicious that they started with this rather than the other way around. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up doing a lot of can-kicking before making Mastodon visible via Threads.
Arnie the DXman | HF4@oliver I can see this post direct on Threads from an EU country, yuppieeeeeeee ๐๐๐
Marcus Krรผger@arnie_dxer @oliver You could see threads post the whole time from within the EU. You just had to know their handles and then you could read the posts of every threads user and the comments. But you couldnโt interact with the content.
tyx@oliver @lancehomer Maybe, some day, be sure. LOL.
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Jaime Herazo@GradientU0
I predict this will split Fedi in two, then the connected half will be fagocited by Facebook, the split half will likely never recover again, so yeah, servers will continue to be up but the Fedi will be dead
@Gargron
I predict this will split Fedi in two, then the connected half will be fagocited by Facebook, the split half will likely never recover again, so yeah, servers will continue to be up but the Fedi will be dead
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Bruce Heerssen 
@GradientU0 @Gargron @mosseri
I don't think so. Not this time. Meta has no control over the fediverse, and they can't by design. If we don't like what they're doing, we can shut them out, and there's nothing they can do about it.
Mastodon, et al, may never grow as big, but we can't be stopped.
anomalocaris@bruce @GradientU0 @Gargron XMPP, RSS and IMAP are all similarly uncontrollable, but they all got Embraced, Extended and Extinguished and now they're all shadows of their former selves.
@anomalocaris @GradientU0 @Gargron
I get what you're saying, but I use RSS and IMAP all day, every day, and so do millions of other people. Even if ActivityPub and its various implementations become eclipsed by the Metas of the world, it will still exist, and people like me (and hopefully you) will use them.
I do hope for more, though, so perhaps that paints a rose colored tint on my glasses.
@bruce Same here, every day - but they are dying out where they were once ubiquitous. RSS feeds get a little harder to find every day; IMAP is getting turned off as an option by more and more providers (Microsoft being the worst offender here - they'll flip the switch for all their customers one of these days and that'll be the deathstroke). XMPP is also still around, but around the margins, nerds only.
I hope for more too and will never cross over to the corporate networks - Fedi and ActivityPub could be huge, they could be the open and flexible way that people connect to each other over the Internet for the foreseeable future - but they could also be an ember, slowly dying out after everyone gets pulled into Threads and then, some years later, has to choose between a supercharged (and by that time proprietary) zuckerverse or a drained, feature poor fedi maintained by a few diehards.
ะฎ โ@GradientU0 @Gargron But isn't the fact that federated networks are decentralized contradict what you are saying? How do you take down all e-mail servers that are not gmail or outlook? You can't. They just continue to work since their operation is not codependent.
jordan@GradientU0 checking in to see if the fediverse is dead yet
Autiste ร 
๐ #woke@Gargron I haven't moved to Fediverse for Metaverse to extand its arms over my data here as well. The interoperability shouldn't result in the enforcement of the GAFAM economic model on all of us outside it. And I'm afraid Meta will try to impose it's logic on the whole Fediverse if we allow it.
แขแซ ืขืืจื Ira ุนูุฑุง ๐๐๏ธ@ariane the fediverse wont protect your data. It's public data. Doesn't matter who your instance is federating with
@fabiscafe Actually, it does by refusing to collect and use my data to create new products sold to third-parties, that is advertisers. This is the real issue. Not the fact that you make something public or not. And I don't wish for Meta to extand this economic model to the fediverse.
@ariane They dont need to be on the fediverse to grab your data from the fediverse. 
@fabiscafe Yeah, well, it is a whole lot more complicated for them to do anything with data grabbed on the fediverse than it it has been published on their plateform or on systems that follow their ecoonomic model. Also, it is a lot more illegal for them to do so without consent. There is definitely a world of economic, legal and political difference between privately-owned blackboxed plateforms like Meta and collective social networks like the fediverse.
@ariane The fact that you deferate with them doesnt change anything of this. It actually helps you protecting your privacy if your instance federates with them, as you can reas posting out if your instances cache instead of going to the website of the post to read them.
@fabiscafe actually, yes, it does. It changes everything. The issue here isn't about publicly available data or not. It isn't about security either. It's really about the possibility to control what is done and not done with it. If meta is introduced into the Fediverse, I'm afraid it will suck it up completely and eventually impose its economic model of mass surveillance to the whole federation.
craftycat@fabiscafe @ariane This is true, and is true for the vast majority of anything that exists on the internet, anyone can access anything. That doesn't mean that what I post on here should be spoonfed to a billionaire so he can choose whether or not to target me with nazi advertisements. Most people left Meta to avoid just that.
@craftycat sounds quite a bit over the top.
@fabiscafe It's simple facts, I don't know what you gain from pretending otherwise.
@craftycat OK. Thats bad. I still doubt the nazi advertisment will hit the fediverse. In fact I think we wont see any ads from threads (except users do them, of course)
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Thoralf Will ๐บ๐ฆ๐น๐ผ@ingonymous @Gargron @mosseri It would be a very stupid by threads if it would stay this way, because it would mean that content from threads would be available in the Fediverse but no content of the Fediverse would be available on Threads.
Essentially, we would reap all the benefits.
That would even create pressure to move into the Fediverse to get access to more content without losing anything.
Essentially, we would reap all the benefits.
That would even create pressure to move into the Fediverse to get access to more content without losing anything.
@Gargron @[email protected] Let's go!! I'm excited that now I can connect with my favourite artist, photographer, and local news :))
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