Merry #Caturday to all #CatsOfMastodon and to the listeners of #TheGlobalJigsaw
The boss lady is bringing you today a light weekend listen - a special edition on one of your fave topics - the #WagnerPMC . What next for the notorious group after the plane crash that wiped out its leadership? Will there be #wagner 2.0? As you can see on her face, the boss lady learned a lot while working on this episode:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb
#wagnergroup #wagnerites #Ukraine #Belarus #Mali #CAR #Russia
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'the #Syrian Government has given the fighters an ultimatum to incorporate themselves into  the Russian army in #Syria or to disarm and leave by Oct.

Finding a successor amenable to the #Kremlin and also acceptable to the government In #Mali and #CAR might prove to be very tricky

#Wagner and #Prigozhin have not been mentioned on #Russian state tv since the start of September' more on #TheGlobalJigsaw:
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb

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'One argument against the hit job theory came from the #Kremlin -friendly president of neighbouring Belarus, Alexander #Lukashenko

"I know Putin, he is a calculating, calm and even a sluggish man, so i cannot imagine that he did that. It was a very rough, unprofessional job. very much unlike #Putin. But whatever happened, he will be blamed for that"

What is the #WagnerGroup up to in #Belarus ? Answers in #TheGlobalJigsaw special on #Wagner after #Prigozhin
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb

BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

What next for the notorious group after the plane crash that wiped out its leadership?

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We waited for a while for the dust to settle after #Prigozhin ’s plane crash in late August, before we recorded this episode of #TheGlobalJigsaw - for the clues to appear. Because when it comes to #Wagner ’s future, very little is out in the open. Tune in to hear the possible options for #Russia 's foreign policy muscle:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb
Expertise by @beverly_ochieng, Jen Monaghan, Gleb Borshchevsky, Margaryta Maliukova, Hesham Shawish. Presented by @krassitwigg
BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

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Hear #BBC Monitoring’s #Russia , Middle East #MENA , #Africa , #Ukraine and military experts weigh in on the options on #TheGlobalJigsaw #Wagner special:
'the likelihood of not just Wagner, but any other private military company gaining as much power and influence within the #Russian system as Wagner and as #Prigozhin had, those days are gone. #Putin 's learnt his lesson and I don't think any company or individual will be able to gain that much power again'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb

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'The next commander of #Wagner would have to not only be able to control the actual manpower, they would also need to take over #Prigozhin ’s dealings with the Defence Ministry and the #Kremlin there are speculations that only someone from the Defence Ministry would be able to take control of Wagner. However, the #Wagnerites are not happy with that idea'
What next for the #WagnerGroup , #Russia 's blunt instrument abroad? More on #TheGlobalJigsaw
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb
BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

What next for the notorious group after the plane crash that wiped out its leadership?

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'there is one person who used to be sort of a liaison between #Russia 's Def Min and #Wagner .  Andrey #Troshev , callsign Sedoy, was one of Wagner’s spokespeople… After the #mutiny he fled to another private military company called #Redut - it is essentially a military unit operated out of military bases and run by the Def Min.' 

A wagner 2.0 under #Shoigu ? What is the likelihood? Insights on #TheGlobalJigsaw
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb

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Sedoy means grey haired in #Russian . #Troshev -a ret colonel- participated in the #Afghan , #Syrian and #Chechen conflicts. Yesterday #Putin met him - likely the closest to a confirmation of his significant role in the #Wagner story.

'absorption into #Redut is now one of the many options for Wagner’s future and we know that Troshev, alongside several other defectors, has been trying to lure over Wagner fighters into that military company.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb
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'the vast majority of #mercenaries are very opposed to the idea of #Wagner being run by #Russia 's defence ministry. They specifically joined Wagner to not fight under the ministry's ranks. #Wagnerites seem to support a man known as Lotus, his real name Anton Yelizarov. Lotus is a wagner commander who was responsible for training of fighters in Molkino, in Krasnodar territory'
More info on the #WagnerGroup 's future (if any) on #TheGlobalJigsaw
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb
BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

What next for the notorious group after the plane crash that wiped out its leadership?

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Despite his personal connection to #Putin , #Prigozhin wasn’t seen by the #Wagnerites as a #Kremlin -linked #oligarch but rather as an outsider, as one of them. As a former convict himself, he spoke their language.

'Prigozhin was very popular with his fighters, because many  were also very critical of the Kremlin, its policies and the #war , especially how it is being commanded by the Defence Ministry.'
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'Many people would have been jailed twice over for saying a fraction of what #Prigozhin said, however he managed to remain free, and for a very long period of time alive, while still remaining a very vocal critic  And that drew a lot of people to him because many of them shared his views, wanted what they perceived as the truth to be spoken, but they could not speak it themselves. So there was prigozhin, this very loud person who would speak it for them.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb

BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

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'Option three is that #Russia 's defence ministry tries to supplant rather than absorb #Wagner 's activities in particular the Middle East and #Africa , which I would say were the main theatres of Wagner's operations.'

'Regarding their presence in Africa… there does not appear to be some sort of a race to take control of Wagner, the actual company. But it does seem to be some sort of an effort to take over wagner’s contracts and ties, even its militarty assets.' https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb

BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

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'Since prigozhin’s death many #Russian def ministry officials including Deputy Defence Minister #Yevkurov, army general #Surovikin - who has for a long time had ties to #Wagner -, military intelligence generals like Vladimir #Alekseyev and Andrey #Averyanov - they were all  spotted in various #African states and it is likely to be some sort of a  coordinated effort to renegotiate Wagner’s contracts and take them over for the ministry's pocket private military companies' https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb
BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

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'#Redut is a defence ministry operated #PMC . It is said to operate out of regular military bases, and its servicemen sign contracts directly with the ministry. The so called #Russian Expeditionary Corps is now being set up as part of Redut. (Rumoured to be set up to take over #Wagner ’s #Africa ops) Recently, according to grey zone they grew from 2500 fighters to a staggering manpower of about 20,000 men, with plans to recruit 20 thousand more.'
Intrigued? Tune in:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb

BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

What next for the notorious group after the plane crash that wiped out its leadership?

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'Just before #Prigozhin ’s plane went down in fact, the very day before we heard reports that #Russia 's Deputy Defence Minister, Yunus-Bek #Yevkurov was in #Libya - he met with Commander #Haftar Who is one of the key figures in Libya.'

More on the race to take over #Wagner in the #MENA region and their operations in #Africa in the latest special of #TheGlobalJigsaw
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb

BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

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' #Haftar is a #Soviet trained military officer and an early ally of the former leader Muammar #Gaddafi. #Libya is seen as the main logistics centre for #Wagner ’s operations in #Africa . Their presence there has also been seen as a key tool for #Russia to counter, to spoil, to frustrate Western aims & policies, especially on the #energy & #migration front. Wagner’s presence in Libya has also given Russia considerable political and military clout' - #TheGlobalJigsaw
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb
BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

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'the presence of #Wagner operatives has been reported in #Libya -n media in several key #oil facilities under #LNA control (the army led by Khalifa #Haftar in the east of the country), and those installations include the Zilla #oilfield and the oil crescent ports'
'A day before #prigozhin ’s plane crash the #Russian Dep Defence Minister Yunus-Bek #Yevkurov visited eastern #Libya to reassure officials that Wagner fighters would remain there under #Moscow 's control'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5hlb
BBC World Service - The Global Jigsaw, Wagner after Prigozhin

What next for the notorious group after the plane crash that wiped out its leadership?

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@fulelo This is really interesting - I thought that Putin's failure to deal with Prigozhin was odd and made him look weak. But I guess he was just carefully putting all the pieces into place, readying the defense department to slip into Wagner's position..
@alcinoe looks like it - those two months were used efficiently, by the look of it, although the CAR handover doesn't seem 'sorted'...
@fulelo Maybe they will starve them of materiel? And bring in new troops with assets?
@alcinoe a few months back they said to have rotated some Russians out there and said to have recruited in Libya and Syria... they have a man on the ground trusted by wagner structures to take over and Touadera's trip to Macron showed the CAR might push its own plan and is to be handled more carefully... again as all thoughout they are steps ahead in the chess game
@fulelo You mean, they won't go the Russian way? And how can the west support them, and thereby tacitly support Wagner? We all know what they are. We can't win this by becoming like Russia, we can't win this by ignoring them. We are not in a good place.
@alcinoe them pretending sitting on the fence might bring some benefits although not too much space for manoeuvre as wagner is said to be part of the president's security detail...
@alcinoe this is a possibility too - although they are relatively self-sufficient in the CAR, for example